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BebieM
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 01 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 854 |
Topic: changes on progarchives Posted: January 29 2005 at 23:22 |
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HEHE,so am i the first to discover the changes on the main site? I think they're great, the key albums are very useful and the discography combined with the rating seems cool to me too. But I still have to make two suggestions: - don't name the mp3 downloads "key songs", since they're not. - at the ratings beside the discography: ratings can make a wrong impression if theyre based on only 1 - 5 (or even 1 - 10?) reviews..... You should either write "album not rated" beside those or find some other way to seperate them from the ones that get reviewed a lot. EDIT: also, what are the ratings actually based on?? BSS for example gets only 4 stars, though 69% of the reviewers gave 5 of them... What do you think? Edited by BebieM |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 29 2005 at 23:53 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I believe they worked something like this: There are 59 votes:
Total stars awarded to BSS = 265 265 stars / 59 votes = 4.49 stars average, being slightly less than 4.5 stars is closer to 4 than to 5, Don't ask me why the percentages don't give an exact number of voters. Following the same procedure Trilogy gives an average of 4.51 and it's rated with 5 stars. Iván
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BebieM
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 01:02 | |||||||||||||||||||||
oh ya, that seems logical.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 02:07 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I think I like it better as well but i must post a review that I believe ought to be omitted as it is just an attack on prog rock in general and not a reflection on the band...it is weighing down an otherwise great lp. ARENA Contagion — awfall neo prog -embarrassing and derivative -who really listens to this stuff? i know, sad little marillion fans -come on guys, prog is dead o.k! DEAD DEAD DEAD! get yourelves a life and check out some new stuff, this album is boring, its badly played, and its poorly produced, all this re-gurge. huh! -bunch of twats!
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 02:28 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Agree with you Gdub, should be deleted, but don't care too much, flamers and trolls are very common. Iván |
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Valarius
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 08 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1480 |
Posted: January 30 2005 at 07:42 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Word.
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Joren
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 08:04 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I don't really like the discography as a long long list... but the "Key albums are a good idea". I agree with BebieM on the KEY SONGS, though |
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Joren
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 08:14 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I think there should REALLY be a maximum of albums by one artist ion the suggested album list. In art rock, there are almost only Rush albums suggested... this is not good. The variety on the website is disappearing And the new system is weird:
How come the rating is 5 stars?? Edited by Joren |
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goose
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 08:41 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I agree with that; if you want to explore a subgenre of prog I don't think any more than three albums need be suggested by any one band.
Now that is odd, it seems the average isn't quite working out properly... |
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goose
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 08:48 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Oh and because PF have DSOTM listed twice (anniversary edition), it appears twice in the recommended psych/space albums.
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 09:49 | |||||||||||||||||||||
It'd be great for half stars to be displayed on the artist page. So many
albums when averaged appear as 4 or 5 stars, and it most cases I found that it wasn't that useful because of that, when compared to ratings on the album page. It would also better represent Brain Salad Surgery and Trilogy as mentioned above. Having 10 radio buttons in the rating form is a bit impractical, but because it's an average of whole stars it could easily work. I can't think of a way off the top of my head to round to a half, but doubling, rounding up to an integar then halfing the number would fo the trick. Edited by Ice Man |
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goose
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 10:47 | |||||||||||||||||||||
It should just be able to round anyway.
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gdub411
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 10:56 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I agree with those that say they must drop the key song bits and just call them "mp3 downloads" I mean looking at this list of Genesis songs one can tell that not every song is the best example of their material. The Knife (Trespass, 1970) |
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Joren
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 16:11 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Any other opinions? |
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 18:05 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I think they should try, although it would be difficult, to try to get a song from each of the albums under an artist. That way, a person would be able to really get a feel for the artists, and decide for themselves about an album
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gdub411
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 18:17 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Rick Wakeman would have 115 mp3's then. |
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 18:22 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I absolutel yagree with both of you - any review that is grossly and gratuitously offensive should be deleted immediately after any of the ProgArchives 'bosses' detects them. It's not that the reviewer wants to state that they don't like neoprog or prog in general, and he wants to tease us... well, that's OK, and even funny. But what's the need to use the word twat? What's the use in affirming that prog is dead with such an amount of vengeance? If a "reviewer" needs to use insult in order to make their point, then they don't deserve to be read in the first place. Regards.
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chorus of one
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 18:28 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I would love to have more mp3s, there are still many bands that I've been unable to hear at all. However, I understand this would be very difficult... |
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Rob The Good
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Posted: January 30 2005 at 19:27 | |||||||||||||||||||||
I agree, there are plenty of bands I haven't heard much from, or even ANY from. One band I would like to hear some MP3s from would be The Nice. I also find it quite shocking that bands like Pink Floyd & ELP only have about 3 tracks available. I like the selection of Genesis MP3s because to me it's a very good taster of the band's material.
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And Jesus said unto John, "come forth and receive eternal life..."
Unfortunately, John came fifth and was stuck with a toaster. |
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slipperman
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 05 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 217 |
Posted: January 31 2005 at 08:30 | |||||||||||||||||||||
Take the ratings off the discography. I agree with the above comment that it's misleading. It locks an album into one rating, and lessens the various ratings given by each reviewer. There's no way you can tell a thing about a record just by looking only at the 5-star rating. I think it was fine before, where the rating-percentages were shown (I know, they still are) and the reviewers' star-ratings and reviews were the focus. That allows the viewer/reader to draw a more informed conclusion. I know, you can still do that of course, but I just don't like slapping some arbitrary star-rating onto the discography listings. Plus these ratings seem "rounded up" when compared to the average ratings for each review. Still a great site though. Edited by slipperman |
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