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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 05 2007 at 14:34
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Teo, don't panic, please... By 'guest' we mean people who are not forum members, and you are. As to now, reviews by people who have no forum ID can still be posted - in the future, they won't be any longer. 
 
in that case, my dearest Dream Theater worshipper, I would say: 
 
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I have a paranoia problem from time to time.... It manifests once a month.
 
 
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Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Guest reviews will soon be stopped. All reviewers will need to have registered with the forum before they can post a review.
 
Thats a good idea, even though the reviews reporting thread will almost cease to exist after thatWink
 
yeah.... wait a minute.... some under-paid cop will lose his job....
 
If I were you, I'd defend guest-reviews with my life.... it's your job man!!!
 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Zappa88 Zappa88 wrote:

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Guest reviews will soon be stopped. All reviewers will need to have registered with the forum before they can post a review.
 
Thats a good idea, even though the reviews reporting thread will almost cease to exist after thatWink
 
yeah.... wait a minute.... some under-paid cop will lose his job....
 
If I were you, I'd defend guest-reviews with my life.... it's your job man!!!
 
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Yup, my only importance on this site is bashing poorly written n00b-reviews! Oh man, when you put it that way, if guest reviews go then I'll be out of a jobShocked
 
I'll end up like that homeless guy that impersonated Peter Criss and lived under a bridge while he pan-handled for nickelsLOL


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In the beginning, all I did here was read album reviews.   Now, I pay far less attention to them, and I haven't written a review in a long time.  

Some reasons:    
                                  The honeymoon's over.... (been here awhile now)
                                  Too much Progressive Metal and other stuff I abhor
                                  Too many reviewers with no command of the English language
                                  The forums are much more interesting
                                    
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Hi Chaps.........
 
I think maybe I didn't make myself clear back in the begining....... I didn't mean I only wanted to see positive reviews. But I felf it a little unjust to see some one-star reviews that were down right rude and written with spite and based on lies and malice......... that surely can not be good for an objective overview of an album?
The lines between fact and opinion are easily blurred and never more so than in a "this is truly awful, they can't write, they can't sing, they can't play" type of review.
 
I enjoy the reviews here, I like to search out different artists or albums.... but I don't like to see lies and opinon dressed up as hard fact. it stinks.  I seem to have caused more foroar by saying that though than if I wrote a bunch of nonsense about some hard working band. Ermm
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Points: 5085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 03:39
I agree with that. I don't have problem with people who dislike some works by some bands. However, i don't think that calling an album rubbish, junk, etc. just because you don't like what you hear is a very good move.

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What if you said: "To be perfectly fair, in a word, this album...uh, sucks. Luckily, we have room for more than one word in a review, but my thesaurus is kinda long, so grab a soda."
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There is a way to write something disapproving without it being ugly or purely subjective. I once wrote a bad review for a Bill Bruford album but I started it with how much I love and respect Bill Bruford.






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You've provoked a lively debate PC, and that must be a good thing!Thumbs%20Up
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Originally posted by prog-chick prog-chick wrote:

Hi Chaps.........
 
I think maybe I didn't make myself clear back in the begining....... I didn't mean I only wanted to see positive reviews. But I felf it a little unjust to see some one-star reviews that were down right rude and written with spite and based on lies and malice......... that surely can not be good for an objective overview of an album?
The lines between fact and opinion are easily blurred and never more so than in a "this is truly awful, they can't write, they can't sing, they can't play" type of review.
 
I enjoy the reviews here, I like to search out different artists or albums.... but I don't like to see lies and opinon dressed up as hard fact. it stinks.  I seem to have caused more foroar by saying that though than if I wrote a bunch of nonsense about some hard working band. Ermm


You made yourself perfectly clear.

This is the way with threads though, they soon become what others want it to be!Ermm
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I agree that endless band bashing is very tedious. I think I've given very few 1 star reviews and some of those I wonder whether I've been harsh afterwards. But I don't think there any prog bands I hate enough to trash, certainly not on personal issues- even ones I wouldn't go out of my way for, like Dream Theater, I have given various 3/4 star reviews to their albums, because they are enjoyable albums by anyone's standards (Awake and SFAM) even when there are elements I dislike about the band (and they've grown on me recently anyway).
 
Likewise, I've been rewriting a few of my older, over-zealous reviews where I had perhaps been over generous. I try to keep away from the fanboy track (some of my older reviews sail perilously closeBig%20smile) as I too now find gushing 5 star reviews without much justification, and come off like blind praise of a band, to be just as damaging to a band as 1 star reviews. Remember the Octavarium debacle around 2 years ago? I think that created even more hostility/suspicion towards DT. I've seen the same thing happen with new Tool and Mars Volta albums as well.


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I don't think there's any merit in marking an album with more stars than you personally feel it's worth based on how much you enjoyed it. If you're over-generous because you think most people will like it, then let THOSE PEOPLE grade it and allow yourself the luxury of giving it the low score you wanted to. ;)
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 07:29
^^^ You see Prog Chick? Carrying on regardless of anything you or I say.
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Points: 7606 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 07:36
please don't stifle the thread, snowy, you can see we're discussing review etiquette =P
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 07:40
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

please don't stifle the thread, snowy, you can see we're discussing review etiquette =P


You are discussing whatever you wish, regardless of the thread subject.Confused
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 10:47
Threads, like conversations, often drift from the original subject. No problem with that if the discussion is constructive.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 06 2007 at 14:17
I don't know the exact data, but when you have thousands of reviews, it's only normal that some will lack quality. Many are written by near-children and others by adults that write like children... but I've seen a few written by young people that are very well-written... it's just bound to happen: you can't have only good reviews if you allow thousands of them, it's just pure logic. But as I say, alongside the crap also good essays come. I would rather forbid the no-review ratings than the no-member reviews.... at least when you take to time to write something, even if it's not good, you are trying to justify your position, however "full of lies and with no facts" (how can a subjective opinion be either a lie or a fact I don't know - it can be based upon lies or facts, that could happen, but in itself can't) it is filled with.

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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Many are written by near-children 
 
Hey man I'm only 14 but that doesnt mean I dont work as hard on my reviews as everyone else on this site does. Keep that in mind please
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Many of our finest reviewers are young!
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Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Threads, like conversations, often drift from the original subject. No problem with that if the discussion is constructive.


Yes Bob, I realise this, but the point of the thread has had to be reiterated several times by the thread originator. I sometimes find it frustrating that posters can't or refuse to talk about what the threads topic is.

Look at this thread of Dick Heaths as another example of not one person addressing the original post!

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33946








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