Genesis: Better without Gabriel?

I was looking back over my collection the other night and played a few tunes off Selling England by the Pound and Invisible Touch and I had to admit that I liked the stuff with Phil singing more.Also The 80's production really strikes a chord with me and takes me back to my 80's heyday playing in Cock Rock bands.

 

 

Any other  Phil>Gabriel believers here?

I was in a band called Dame back in the 80's. We mixed some aspects of cock rock with elements of King Crimson and Floyd.

 

 

Basically what it meant was that we got to play the complicated worthy music we loved whilst getting to bang smokin hot groupies in hotel Jacuzzi's.

Exactly!

Not being the best looking of guys I had to get some tail somehow!

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I think Phil gets an unfair rap myself. His drumming is what made the band in the first place.

Ahhh I know you guys are gonna jump on me for it but i just love the smooth 80's production.

I reckon Collins could give Portnoy a run for his money anyday.

Post hackett was

PEople like you cant accept change, as COllins says himself:

"YOu don't wear the same clothing everyday"

IT IS A"METAPHOR" FOR THE BAND DOING THE SAME OLD THING ALL THE TIME INCASE YOU HAD NOT NOwn

I can't wait for Ivan's reaction...

You asked for it Mirco, but it's calmed, because this is not a matter of taste, it's artistic music vs POP SOFT BLAND BALLADS, that have no place in a progressoive Rock forum.

I understand (even when I absolutely disagree) if someone in a progressive rock forum says he likes more ATOTT or W&W because Phil sings better the progressive stuff, or even that¨Phil Collins sings better the Gabriel stuff because this opinion would be only a matter of taste.

But anyone who comes to a progressive rock forum and says Invisible Touch, Illegal Alien or Who Dunnit (Because that's what Wes_Powell is saying) is better than Dancing with The Moonlit Knight, Supper's Ready or The Musical Box, is entitled to his taste, but he would feel more comfortable in a POP forum, like The Phil Collins Paradise or maybe even joining the in the Duran Duran or Michael Jackson's fan club where this opinions are very common.

Iván

PS: Hey Wes_Powell aren't you related to a guy who uses the nick kOOl Prog Guruz?

Ivan, like they say in my country: "No fue commigo y me dolió" (it wasn't against me, but hurts me")

ivan_2068 wrote: If Phil Collins compares his music with a simple set of clothes, this gives us an idea how important is the music for him, maybe as vital as a suit or a T-Shirt, whatever provides him more money. Iván

I meant this quote, lapidary IMHO (and I subscribe it until the last comma!)

Peace to you too, amigo mio...

What the hell is cock-rock? Do I even want to know?

About post Gabriel Genesis, I have to say that my favorite Genesis lineup was hackett-banks-rutherford-collins, the lineup that recorded Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering. But I will go with the general consensus and say that post-Hackett genesis was very . I mean for pop, albums like Duke and Abacab aren't bad, but everything else was garbage, and even judging those albums as prog rock albums, they suck. So although the quartet was my favorite lineup, the Gabriel-era genesis material is far better than most of the Collins-era material.