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Poll Question: Which version of the Knife do YOU like?
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Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Did Hackett urge the others to buy Genesis a Mellotron, Salmacis? Now I will love Hackett even more than I did Heart Hug!! And I forgive you about your Trespass opinion Wink ...!
 
Well, they had used one before of course on 'Stagnation' and 'Visions Of Angels', but I imagine that belonged to the studio or was borrowed. I believe it was Hackett that instigated the band's increased usage of one, and they actually bought the Mark II model from King Crimson!


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Salmacis, we can ask Pierreolivier about that, he is the #1 Mellotron connaisseur on Prog Archives Thumbs%20Up

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Originally posted by salmacis salmacis wrote:

Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

Did Hackett urge the others to buy Genesis a Mellotron, Salmacis? Now I will love Hackett even more than I did Heart Hug!! And I forgive you about your Trespass opinion Wink ...!
 
Well, they had used one before of course on 'Stagnation' and 'Visions Of Angels', but I imagine that belonged to the studio or was borrowed. I believe it was Hackett that instigated the band's increased usage of one, and they actually bought the Mark II model from King Crimson!
 
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In the early Seventies Genesis even used the engine of a dust cleaner when their Mellotron went broke on stage just before the show LOL !
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the original version of trespass
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I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
I am also suprised by the vote. I thought everyone would think the live version far superior. For me its no contest......LIve hands down. Its more exciting, more edgy, better guitar...better evrything really. It bowls along rather than the studio version "walk in the park".


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I agree with erik, Hackett was (IMO) the man. I had always thought that he was the one that promoted extensive use of the Mellotron. If you listen to his solo work sounds more like the classic Genesis than any others. And look what happened to Genesis after he left.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
I am also suprised by the vote. I thought everyone would think the live version far superior. For me its no contest......LIve hands down. Its more exciting, more edgy, better guitar...better evrything really. It bowls along rather than the studio version "walk in the park".

just x-ed that day in my calendar. SnowDog and I are of the same opinion!!!!Wink


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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I am really surprised the rather half-baked and energy-lacking studio version seems to be winning at the moment (though the margin by which the studio version leads is by no means decisive yet). Hackett's solo is harmonically far more interesting than that of Philips and much more fitting for the song. the few acoustical gimmicks of the studio version are interesting, but not enough to make me vote for it. the live version of "The Knife" is the closest Genesis ever came to metal, by the way.
I would have expected the live version to be a clear winner. my vote definitely goes to it. too bad there are not more votes with explanations though
 
I am also suprised by the vote. I thought everyone would think the live version far superior. For me its no contest......LIve hands down. Its more exciting, more edgy, better guitar...better evrything really. It bowls along rather than the studio version "walk in the park".

just x-ed that day in my calendar. SnowDog and I are of the same opinion!!!!Wink


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Can't really decide on this one. Tie.

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I went for the 'walk in the park' version....Wink
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Well, Firepuck, I have seen The Musical Box: the SEBTP tour is also my favorite, it blends the best of the magical Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot era with the best of the SEBTP album and ... Hackett shines with his unique style: volume-pedal, bending the strings, hammering down, lots of emotion because of his blues-background and a harder-edged side that is so compelling during the solo on The Knife live. To me the difference sounds as nice prog-folk on the studio version and dynamic symphonic prog on the live version Clap
 
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Close call, but I'll go with the live version, its just so full of energy and really well performed.
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I hate to resort to this, but the version on Live... It just kicks ass. It is raw, powerful, and Steve really lights the place on fire. It's the most energy in a Genesis song that I've heard (except maybe the performance of "The Musical Box" right before it!). Live was my introduction to the band, so maybe I'm biased...
 
And as for Led Zepp being the best live band ever? I don't think so. It's a tie between The Who & the Grateful Dead.
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Going with the good 'ol original
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somewhat surprised...  not that I waste much time talking about Genesis.. but it seemed many I talked to loved the live version better.. oh well

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the studio version
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Live version for me too although the studio version has such a subtle sound to it that I like that too.  Depends on my mood.  Tresspass was Genesis first foray into prog and these guys were like 19 when they did it.  Some of the material while of course not as strong as later compositions were striking in the melodies and harmonies they used.  John Mayhew was too understated as a drummer of course for the drama the music effected but stil a lot to be admired on that album. 
 
As for seeing them live the performance Genesis gave you can never be done justice on a album.  They were something to see and hear and your emotions would rush along with the songs as they ebbed and flowed. I could care less if Tony improvised his solos or not if you ever saw One For the Vine performed live you really were just stunned afterwards.   I am really tempted to buy a ticket for the latest tours just to see if there is still some of that magic left.


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