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Masque
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Topic: I wish prog metal`s songs were better composed Posted: February 18 2007 at 09:48 |
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laplace
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 09:53 |
I agree that musicianship on its own isn't enough (and so I try to avoid most jazz fusion and virtuoso guitar artists) but it's actually quite hard to write music without a melody, at least in some rudimentary form. can you go more in depth into your problems with prog metal?
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Masque
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 09:58 |
Laplace wrote:
I agree that musicianship on its own isn't enough (and so I try to avoid most jazz fusion and virtuoso guitar artists) but it's actually quite hard to write music without a melody, at least in some rudimentary form. can you go more in depth into your problems with prog metal?
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Sometimes too much flash without enough substance can be a problem
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:03 |
^ that's a problem in any genre. The reverse is also a problem sometimes (much substance without any "flash").
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:04 |
I agree. That's exactly the reason my interest in prog metal has declined recently, while my interest in avant prog has increased. Prog Metal musicians tend to know their instruments very well, but lack the skills of knowing what to do with a blank sheet of paper.
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:10 |
no...
avant-prog has more of a composition problem than prog metal IMO...
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:12 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
no...
avant-prog has more of a composition problem than prog metal IMO... |
dead persons' opinion don't count
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:21 |
^ ok, I love both Avant Prog and Prog Metal ... now what?
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Ed_The_Dead
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 10:51 |
go away!!
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chamberry
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 12:08 |
Just out of curiosity, what prog metal band do you know of?
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MadcapLaughs84
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 12:18 |
chamberry wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what prog metal band do you know of?
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I ask the same, I think sometimes Prog Metal is underated by this same concept, I listen to DT, Tool, Opeth, Vanden Plas, Green Carnation, Pain Of Salvation, Adagio and some other bands and they sound pretty cool for me. The musicianship is awesome and I believe everything they play.
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 12:50 |
I think the goog or bad compositions are independant from the style. There are many prog metal bands with great compositions like: Shadow Gallery, Ayreon, Zero Hour, Phantomind, Threshold, Vanden Plas, Savatage, etc. etc. etc.
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The T
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:47 |
I agree with Zero Hour.,.. there are no songs in there, just some guys trying to show off, and ultimately not accomplishing it because if you listen to Spiral Architect.. now THAT"s showing off! But, also, there's hardly any melody, you can't discern structures easily... it's decent and I have it like a "specialty" item or something, but not music I'd hear every day. There's a lot of poor-written prog-metal (mostly in the power-metal+prog genre, which at times is anything but prog), but in this case because of the "copy/paste" theory applied to the limit. There's other kind of metal which I found repetitive and incoherent, but let's not name names.
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:48 |
Haven't noticed the problem.
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MadcapLaughs84
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 13:53 |
The T wrote:
I agree with Zero Hour.,.. there are no songs in there, just some guys trying to show off, and ultimately not accomplishing it because if you listen to Spiral Architect.. now THAT"s showing off! But, also, there's hardly any melody, you can't discern structures easily... it's decent and I have it like a "specialty" item or something, but not music I'd hear every day. There's a lot of poor-written prog-metal (mostly in the power-metal+prog genre, which at times is anything but prog), but in this case because of the "copy/paste" theory applied to the limit. There's other kind of metal which I found repetitive and incoherent, but let's not name names. |
Yes, of course, I agree with you, I've found some bands in here that I have listened before discovering this site and my first thought was: Is this prog??? Just repeating the formula and try to put everything they've learned in the music academy in one song
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:37 |
This is why i don't listen to bands like Dream Theater and Symphony X much anymore. Too much technical skill and not enough melody there for me. I think one of the best bands when it comes wonderful composition is Anathema. Some others include: Devin Townsend, Savatage and Opeth. These bands tend to show off their skills in creating a melody rather than notes per second.
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The Miracle
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 16:50 |
Can;t generalize a whole genre, some bands do and some don't. Most prog-power is like that. I see no problem with DT at all, I love them, but Symphony X, Rhapsody, Nightwish, etc. are way too overblown and laughably cheesy at times for my taste.
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 17:55 |
Listen to Opeth and you wont have this problem anymore
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Barla
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 19:49 |
THE_POLE wrote:
This is why i don't listen to bands like Dream Theater and Symphony X much anymore. Too much technical skill and not enough melody there for me. I think one of the best bands when it comes wonderful composition is Anathema. Some others include: Devin Townsend, Savatage and Opeth. These bands tend to show off their skills in creating a melody rather than notes per second.
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Man, it's stupid to say DT and SX have not enough melody (as far as I know, most of their solos are melodic, or at least have melody on them)!! Of course they can play good and they show us that, but (IMO), they really know how to compose, and I think that's why they're amongst my favorite bands! Listen (for example) to DT's "Voices", and SX's "Divine Wings..." and then tell me that again! These guys can play AND compose incredibly well!!
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Masque
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Posted: February 18 2007 at 22:05 |
Edited by Masque - February 19 2007 at 02:02
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