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Poll Question: Which is the most pretentious of these albums?
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18 [25.00%]
6 [8.33%]
34 [47.22%]
5 [6.94%]
1 [1.39%]
0 [0.00%]
2 [2.78%]
1 [1.39%]
5 [6.94%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 18:23
Wakeman´s isn´t pretentious, is ridiculous
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2007 at 22:27

ELP's for me.... Trying to follow Ravel's footsteps is pretentious... trying to adapt a Russian Nationalist piece (though highly romantic at times) by the best-ever russian-born composer is pretentious....

Of course, the second place has to go to YES... who else? TOTO is just too much...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 04 2007 at 01:56
"Days Of." I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks that it was really, really pretentious of them Moody Blooz to try and create a pop rock/orchestra fusion concept album with poetry for bookends (and aside from that last bit, it worked of course).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 20:06
I voted G!YBE, primarily because I am tired of so many Indie kids who haven't heard very much music hailing it as a visionary masterpiece. It isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 21:22

For just one album, gotta go with Yes

 
but overall pretentious band is ELP no doubt about it



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 21:23
I'd go with Journey to the Centre ofthe Earth, but I certainly don't view prentiousness as a bad thing. Not in any stretch...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 21:25
Scarsuck, thats why I HATE it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 21:43
damn right it is...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 06 2007 at 22:47

I was going to say Tales, but I forgot about Scarsick. Gildenlow is kind of the definition of pretentious, he just doesn't always show it. Well with Scarsick we got it full on. Dreafdful album.

And will someone please explain to me how GY!BE are pretentious?
When the world is sick
Can't no one be well
But I dreamt we were all
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 11:57

 

    "Tales" is a really pretentious album...But Wakeman's "Journey" too!

     The others maybe, but not so boring at least.
    "The lamb" and "Thick" are simply two fine records, for me.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 15:41
I feel the all this "pretentious discussions", really harm the prog genre.
Every time you're stating RW or Yes or ELP or anyone is pretentious, it sounds as "undeserved bullsh*t" for this enormous figures of prog rock....

I am felling a bit sensible today LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 15:50
Originally posted by keith_emerson keith_emerson wrote:

I feel the all this "pretentious discussions", really harm the prog genre.
Every time you're stating RW or Yes or ELP or anyone is pretentious, it sounds as "undeserved bullsh*t" for this enormous figures of prog rock....

I am felling a bit sensible today LOL



hahahhaha.. I was going to say.. is this ^ the Keith Emerson we all know and love.  There is nothing wrong with being pretentious...  hahahha.. I'd rather be the typical pretentious prog fan, than ..hmmm...lets see.... 

a)  'loser... no one understands me' punk rock fan
b)  'wife beating... buttwiper guzzling' old country fan
c) 'bored and musically challenged housewife'  New country fan  ( what do they do with the UGLY country singers these days anyway hahahhahahha)
d) *I'll bust a cap in ya ass if scuff my Jordans'  Rap or hip hop or whatever the hell they call it these days..
e)  ' I wish I could have been in there in 60's so I'll dress the part and smoke tons of dope ' neo dead-head/jam band types..

anyway.. pretention is good.. reminds us we are better than them ^ LOLWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 16:30
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

I voted G!YBE, primarily because I am tired of so many Indie kids who haven't heard very much music hailing it as a visionary masterpiece. It isn't.


Then blame the Indie kids for being pretentious, not the album. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 19:39
Pain of Salvation´s Be, hands down

Edited by el böthy - March 07 2007 at 19:39
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 19:47
Originally posted by Geck0 Geck0 wrote:

I think Lift Your Fatty Toes Like A Satellite Dish to Hell, fits perfectly in this list actually, au contraire!

It's a very silly and overrated album.


Uh... No it isn't.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2007 at 21:36
Wakeman.  Its pretentious and not all that great.  In my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 01:52
There has always been an ambiguous placement between pomposity, pretentiousness and great art for many artists in the past. Just think of Shakespeare's fantasies with highly improbable stories and huge amounts of drama and melodrama, pathetic singing, ridiculous situations (but then remember the classical comedy strict conventions to be followed), or of actually most of the whole genre of Opera; or think of Balzac's Human Comedy, filled with huge amounts of crappy romanticist blah-blah and the pretention to be the mirror-image of modern society (which I think he actually deliverd) - but also think of his marvelous dramatic story telling, character development and visions of nature and society; and one last call, think of Michelangelo's dramatic struggle to paint the story of man and god in the Sistine Chapel: he is so close to kitsch (himself was aware that being a sculptor denies him many of a painter's ability), but how powerful his vision is!
So in conclusion my guess is that plenty of great art is done at the border between pretention and greatness, pomposity and visionarism; what matters IMO is whether the final product has the needed equilibrum between all sides and is a viable, living creature. The rest is history...
 
Do I need to tell I love ELP or Tales from Topographic Oceans?... Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 08:33
TFTO = PRETENTIOUS.....but really a good album!!!!Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 08:39
Originally posted by andu andu wrote:

There has always been an ambiguous placement between pomposity, pretentiousness and great art for many artists in the past. Just think of Shakespeare's fantasies with highly improbable stories and huge amounts of drama and melodrama, pathetic singing, ridiculous situations (but then remember the classical comedy strict conventions to be followed), or of actually most of the whole genre of Opera; or think of Balzac's Human Comedy, filled with huge amounts of crappy romanticist blah-blah and the pretention to be the mirror-image of modern society (which I think he actually deliverd) - but also think of his marvelous dramatic story telling, character development and visions of nature and society; and one last call, think of Michelangelo's dramatic struggle to paint the story of man and god in the Sistine Chapel: he is so close to kitsch (himself was aware that being a sculptor denies him many of a painter's ability), but how powerful his vision is!
So in conclusion my guess is that plenty of great art is done at the border between pretention and greatness, pomposity and visionarism; what matters IMO is whether the final product has the needed equilibrum between all sides and is a viable, living creature. The rest is history...
 
Do I need to tell I love ELP or Tales from Topographic Oceans?... Smile


Pure, unadulterated wisdom.... The current fad for minimalism (which has its merits, if done in the right way - otherwise it's just cold and devoid of feeling) would deny artistic value to many masterpieces of the past on the grounds of their being pretentious.

As rock derives from rock'n'roll, which is a very simple musical form, it is expected to be simple and straightforward, and any deviation from the norm branded as 'pretentious'  - as if lots of highly regarded classical music wasn't just that...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 08:52
I vote for Yes....

...But Aphrodite's Child's 666...
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