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Manunkind

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:43

UFO's second album is prog and is really boring.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:46

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I cannot get into the following:

Jethro Tull (cringe music extraordinaire,hey nonny-nonny-aw forget it!)

What utter rubbish! Have you ever actually listened to them?

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:53

Spock's Beard and Glass Hammer - all the elements that I like are in there, but somehow it just doesn't add up for me.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:59

Emperor wrote:

Love Bitch? Close Your Ears???? Ha-ha-ha-ha! You've made me laughing, really!!!!

Maybe it's worth to arrange a Championship for the most hillarious parody on Prog albums?

Big Degenerator, Dark Side Of The Spoon, In The Hole Of The Brown King, The Ass Lies Down At Westminster Bridge, Thin As Jeff Lynne...

so ITCOTCK would become ITHOTBK and TLLDOB become TALDAWB .

Buying America By The Kilo , Tales of Echographic Uterus, etc... Worth a try

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:03

Cluster One wrote:

ELP is my most disliked, Carl Palmer excluded. They are grossly overrated. Always over-the-top, and self important, EVEN FOR PROGGERS. Their 'landmark' and 'revolutionary' prog work of 1973 has not stood up well over time. Listen to their work now and prepared to be completely underwhelmed. All style, no substance. Too many covers and 'arrangements' of other people's works, way too much 'noodling' on the keys by Emerson (the Steve Vai of Keyboards). Karn Evil my a$$. A great indication of how being faster, does not always translate into being better. Give me Banks, Wright or Eddy Harsch any day.

"Someone get me a ladder." Such a touching lyric...

Get real man!

Manunkind

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:03

Emperor wrote:

Love Bitch? Close Your Ears???? Ha-ha-ha-ha! You've made me laughing, really!!!!

Maybe it's worth to arrange a Championship for the most hillarious parody on Prog albums?

Big Degenerator, Dark Side Of The Spoon, In The Hole Of The Brown King, The Ass Lies Down At Westminster Bridge, Thin As Jeff Lynne...

Isn't there a "Dark Side of the Spoon" album? By Ministry, wasn't it?

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:04

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[QUOTE=aqualung28]Styx. Do I really have to say why? We are speaking about prog bands , here. Not radio-friendly FM rock!

I could list 30 or 40 Styx songs that easily qualify as prog, much of it killer too. Sure, they had a very melodic, commercial leaning, but that was mostly on the late '70s/early '80s material. I proudly stand up for Styx, cuz there's more to them than Kilroy Was Here and the even worse Cornerstone. I used to dislike Styx too, until I gave Equinox, The Serpent Is Rising and Crystal Ball a good listen. there's more to Styx than FM Radio rock. Like what you don't hear on FM radio, for one...

worst bands: Pavlov's Dog (is this prog? is this vocalist for real?), Doctor Nerve (totally annoying!), Starcastle (Yes copycats)...and speaking of Yes,I would NEVER call them BAD, but I cannot, no matter how many times and albums I've tried, get into YES. (here come the insults...) It's Anderson's vocals I can't get into, way to "twee". Musically they are beyond good, but it's just those damn vocals...not for me (that's why I dislike Starcastle too...) (Yes, I already tried 'Drama', recommended by a friend who knows I don't like Jon Anderson...and the guy sounds just like Jon Anderson!)

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:12

Hi Slipperman:

Not that I dislike Styx that much at all, but they are one of the least prog bands in the Archives. their better albums are easily the ones where they dominated the charts from 75 to 80 - this translate from Equinox to Pieces Of Eight.

Later stuff Stynx and previous early albums are very sloppy semi-prog not to my taste at all.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:14

MOSTLY AUTUMN & PAVLOV'S DOG !!!

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:50

Bands: IQ (with Peter Nicholls), Karnataka, Syzygy, Mostly Autumn, Styx, Kansas, Rush...

...and Dream Theater, Enchant, Symphony X.... prog metal in general.

Albums: "90125" and "Big Generator" (Yes), "GTR", "Season's End" (Marillion), "Black Moon" (ELP).

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:52

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 09:19

Sean Trane wrote:

Hi Slipperman:

Later stuff Stynx and previous early albums are very sloppy semi-prog not to my taste at all.

Fair enough, Sean, thanks. Yes, anything after Pieces does indeed Stynk. I just get more defensive about them than many other bands in the archives cuz I honestly think they qualify as prog (and if Pavlov's Dog and Traffic are here, Styx certainly deserves a place). They're one of the most beaten-n-bruised bands on this great site. Not a Top 10 band for me even, but I do feel like one of the few on this site that will defend their honor, so I do.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 09:30

I think that yes , you are right Styx is often bad-mouthed here in the Archives and I take some (but not that much , either) of that blame on me. Fact is that Paradise Theater (to a lesser extent) , Mr. Lobotto and Babe are highly laughable and hurt them deeply in the eyes of progheads.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 09:44

Bands as Flower Kings and Spock's Beard that repeat themselves

Neo prog bands that try to sound like Genesis without inspiration

Dream Theater

Most of RIO bands (interesting but not my cup of tea)

Il Balletto di Bronzo (a classic but too noisy)

Deus Ex Machina (crazy energy plus screams).

Monster bands during 80s (Genesis, Yes) are not included due their non-prog condition.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 09:47

Trouserpress wrote:

Reed Lover wrote:

I cannot get into the following:

Jethro Tull (cringe music extraordinaire,hey nonny-nonny-aw forget it!)

What utter rubbish! Have you ever actually listened to them?

Did you read all my post? I think not. I said I own enough albums by these groups to form an opinion.

Trouserpress how can you say my opinion of my tastes is rubbish?

I am being restrained here-your post is ahem stupid! Angry

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 10:11

Progressive metal bands that simply copy Dream Theater's sound... There are so many innovating and exciting progressive metal bands out there, that these boring and insipid retreads serve only to give prog metal a bad name.

For good prog-metal, see: Psychotic Waltz, Pain of Salvation, Fates Warning etc. etc.

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 10:43

Dream theater: great music, but tends to get a little friggin' boring

Progmetal in general is a little over the top for me.

In most bands or styles I find something sweet

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 11:36

Manunkind wrote:

UFO's second album is prog and is really boring.

Really??? I'd heard great things about it ... apparently it contains one of the earliest 30 minute songs in rock ... Flying if I've not mistaken?

I've still never heard the Mick Bolton-driven incarnation of UFO ... only the hard rock Michael Schenker one ...

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 12:04

I love these threads

Manunkind

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Posted: February 10 2005 at 12:46

Trotsky wrote:

Manunkind wrote:

UFO's second album is prog and is really boring.

Great things about this album? Well, there you have it, I suppose it is possible to like this album...

Yes, there's a 30 minute suite there, and it's probably this album's biggest flaw. The suite (and the rest of the album, too) is filled with Bolton's quarter-baked attempts at creating sort of a space-rock feel, sparse, slightly tripped-out guitar phrasing, a little like Syd Barrett on "Piper...". I think he fails miserably, his meanderings lead nowhere; boring like hell. The other musicians aren't doing anything decent, either. Schenker is a much better guitar player than Bolton, even though his style is completely different.

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