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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 13:33
Originally posted by Wuschel Wuschel wrote:

Shocked   Hell, we even have PeterGabriel here, and Phil's a former Genesis member,just like him.   So he should also run under prog-related?   Their solo stuff is  equally pop to me.....


The Peter Gabriel solo albums are much more related to prog than the Phil Collins albums ... in fact Collins has the reputation of being responsible for the downfall of prog by turning Genesis into a pop group. Surely Gabriel wrote some pop hits too ... but they were much more artistic ... I'd call them "Art Pop". And I don't think that there'll be any rap versions of Gabriel's hits ... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 13:35
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Wuschel Wuschel wrote:

Shocked   Hell, we even have PeterGabriel here, and Phil's a former Genesis member,just like him.   So he should also run under prog-related?   Their solo stuff is  equally pop to me.....


The Peter Gabriel solo albums are much more related to prog than the Phil Collins albums ... in fact Collins has the reputation of being responsible for the downfall of prog by turning Genesis into a pop group. Surely Gabriel wrote some pop hits too ... but they were much more artistic ... I'd call them "Art Pop". And I don't think that there'll be any rap versions of Gabriel's hits ... Wink
 
 How could you possibly make a rap version of "Sledgehammer" for startersWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 13:36
We might as well, we have Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks, and Steve Hackett on here already. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 13:41
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Wuschel Wuschel wrote:

Shocked   Hell, we even have PeterGabriel here, and Phil's a former Genesis member,just like him.   So he should also run under prog-related?   Their solo stuff is  equally pop to me.....


The Peter Gabriel solo albums are much more related to prog than the Phil Collins albums ... in fact Collins has the reputation of being responsible for the downfall of prog by turning Genesis into a pop group. Surely Gabriel wrote some pop hits too ... but they were much more artistic ... I'd call them "Art Pop". And I don't think that there'll be any rap versions of Gabriel's hits ... Wink
 
 How could you possibly make a rap version of "Sledgehammer" for startersWink


You can turn *any* song into Rap by simply removing 90% of the musical content, adding a simple beat and finishing it off with some "uh, yeah, come on" samples.LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 13:42
Originally posted by Chus Chus wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Wuschel Wuschel wrote:

Shocked   Hell, we even have PeterGabriel here, and Phil's a former Genesis member,just like him.   So he should also run under prog-related?   Their solo stuff is  equally pop to me.....


The Peter Gabriel solo albums are much more related to prog than the Phil Collins albums ... in fact Collins has the reputation of being responsible for the downfall of prog by turning Genesis into a pop group. Surely Gabriel wrote some pop hits too ... but they were much more artistic ... I'd call them "Art Pop". And I don't think that there'll be any rap versions of Gabriel's hits ... Wink
 
 How could you possibly make a rap version of "Sledgehammer" for startersWink
 
Sorry to disagree but I recently heard an atrocious pop version of "Red Rain" from SO, by one of those prom-rock bands... so Gabriel has sold his music, too. Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 13:53
Originally posted by progismylife progismylife wrote:

We might as well, we have Mike Rutherford, Tony Banks, and Steve Hackett on here already. 
 
Mike wrote very few albums, but Smallcreeps Day is a Prog conceptual album, I don0't like it but it's Prog, Mike & The Mechanics haven't been added, maybe his inclusion is a bit forced
 
Tony: A Curious Feeling is Prog, so in Prog Related he's OK.
 
Steve Hackett: What???? Steve Hackett is a 100% Prog artist, he's the only ex-Genesis member that remains faithful to Prog:
  1. Voyage of the Acolyte
  2. Please Don't Tuch
  3. Spectral Mornings
  4. Defector
  5. Bay of Kings
  6. Guitar Noir
  7. Genesis Revisited
  8. Tokyo Tapes
  9. Darktown
  10. To Watch the Storms
  11. Wild Orchides

Are 100% Prog albums, there's no doubt about this, the rest of his albums have moments of Prog but incredible quality, you can't put his name in the same phrase as Phil Collins, unless you're talking abut Genesis.

Thanks God you didn't LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 14:18
Strictly speaking, PC could qualify under the prog related banner. It would however be a highly controversial move for the site, and not one we're inclined to take at this time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 14:20
*damn*  I was going to sneak Duran Duran in while everyone was dropping dead over that hahahhahaWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 14:26
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Strictly speaking, PC could qualify under the prog related banner. It would however be a highly controversial move for the site, and not one we're inclined to take at this time.
 
I'm all for the controversy!!TongueTongue
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 14:37
Me too, but there are limits!WinkLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 14:46
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Of course. Prog Related (him, not the music)


That's the best response in the thread so far....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 17:03
Never!!!!!! we'll fight him on the beaches, we'll fight him on the seas, we will never let him in the archives and never give in!!!!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 17:11
Originally posted by Cheesecakemouse Cheesecakemouse wrote:

Never!!!!!! we'll fight him on the beaches, we'll fight him on the seas, we will never let him in the archives and never give in!!!!
 
-Winston Churchill (slightly modified)
 
You're wrong... Sir Winston would actually agree with his inclussion... it's like a deep bond and oath of allegiance to the Bald Brotherhood...Big%20smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 17:26
Though I still do think Phil had some say in the music of Genesis during he's influence as the drummer and later drummer/singer. So let's not forget he did compose prog in a prog band. I agree he should be added, even though I really don't like most of he's solo ballads. Whereas I do like his movie soundtracks, like for Disney's Tarzan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 06 2007 at 17:50
Keep in mind it would had been offending to him to include him in the site. Or as he said "it would drag". Please let's not do the same mistake as with GTR and focus on the material rather than the creators.
 
 BTW I do enjoy Tarzan too.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 01:59

...slightly off-topic remark:

If I'm not mistaken, Michael Jackson was mentioned on the first page of the current thread. For some odd reasons, he is always associated in my mind with other artist, namely, George Michael. George Michael is already present in PA:
George Michael and Queen With Lisa Stansfield: Five Live.
 
Pay attention to the fact that he is credited first, before Queen. It's not "Queen and George Michael..."...
...not to mention the cover of the album, where you know who appears...
 
Hence, bureaucratically speaking, his full discography should be added to the Archives...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 02:06
Originally posted by Fassbinder Fassbinder wrote:

 
Pay attention to the fact that he is credited first, before Queen. It's not "Queen and George Michael..."...
...not to mention the cover of the album, where you know who appears...
 
Hence, bureaucratically speaking, his full discography should be added to the Archives...
 
I don't believe so:
  1. Georde Michael is acting as a Queen member (even whewn eventually)
  2. We are talking about A TRIBUTE TO FREDDIE MERCURY, tributes don''t require the inclusion of all the discography.
  3. They are not playing a single track by George Michael.
  4. The album is credited by Prog Archives to QUEEN.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 02:21
Just a word of warning, and my personal 2 eurocents' worth on the matter: let's be careful, because including Phil (whose solo output doesn't have an ounce of prog in it) would lead down a very, very slippery slope - which could mean including every artist who was a member of a prog band, even if for a single album.

Therefore, we would probably have to include The Police, two of whose members were involved with prog bands - as well as a myriad of other artists, such as quite a few Italians, or the dreaded Demis Roussos, former vocalist with Aphrodite's Child. For those of you who've been so lucky as to have never heard anything from his solo output, let's just say that he makes Phil Collins sound like a RIO artist.Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 04:44
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

*damn*  I was going to sneak Duran Duran in while everyone was dropping dead over that hahahhahaWink

LOL and don't forget Spandau Ballet!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 07 2007 at 05:23
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

*damn*  I was going to sneak Duran Duran in while everyone was dropping dead over that hahahhahaWink

LOL and don't forget Spandau Ballet!
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hahhahah... yeah... thanks... Wink

I have Duran Duran's bio and discography ready.... and just biding my time for when chaos hits PA's... and I can slip them in...

first Duran Duran, then BOC,  the Talking Heads, Beck, and every other hair-brained suggestion I've had shot down in the last year LOL
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