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Alberto Muņoz 
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 16:45 |
Stargazer the drum intro beats, easy Kashmir.
and i LOVE both bands...
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rudderhead
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Posted: March 04 2008 at 21:36 |
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Stargazer!! I dont think it sounds like Kashmir at all. Thats a bit like saying that Powerslave sounds like Kashmir because of its eastern sound. Dont forget that there were enough songs who sounded eastern before Kashmir come along. Deep Purple The Mule for instance.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:00 |
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Kashmir 1 Stargazer 0
I would rather prefer Kashmir although both classics I don't really like them. I choose Kashmir cause Plant's voice is great, in the other hand Stargazer's drumming is great although Dio's voice is rubish.
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The Whistler
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Posted: October 06 2007 at 02:30 |
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"Powerslave."
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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Posted: October 05 2007 at 09:01 |
 staunchally wrote:
Anybody who voted for Kashmir is wrong. |
No one is wrong, all opinions are valid.
Strargazer is great but Kashmir is better.
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markosherrera
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Posted: September 29 2007 at 22:11 |
The T wrote:
Kashmir has a great riff, but it's kind of boring and repetitive....and Plant...
On the other hand, Stargazer is varied, full of melodies, amazing, and Dio just RULES...
Stargazer by a mile... |
Perhaps Kashmir is repetitive..but for me is hipnotic.......there are famous repetitives themes in classic music like Bolero of Ravel..............that for me is hipnotic,..or like a sexual act
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Time Signature
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Posted: September 22 2007 at 10:33 |
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Stargazer, coz I like it better
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andu
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Posted: September 22 2007 at 10:19 |
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Right...
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staunchally
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Posted: September 22 2007 at 10:09 |
Anybody who voted for Kashmir is wrong.
All art is plagiarism.
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The T
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 15:04 |
Kashmir has a great riff, but it's kind of boring and repetitive....and Plant...
On the other hand, Stargazer is varied, full of melodies, amazing, and Dio just RULES...
Stargazer by a mile...
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Posted: August 29 2007 at 09:59 |
Kashmir is a great song, and wrecks
as a note, it's the best thing zep's done
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markosherrera
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 20:04 |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTaOvzZKRxA
Edited by markosherrera - August 20 2007 at 20:12
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markosherrera
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Posted: August 20 2007 at 19:34 |
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Kashmir sounds more egyptian ....hipnotic .I prefer kashmir
Edited by markosherrera - September 08 2007 at 15:55
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 01:10 |
QUOTE=Ghost Rider]They're both great tracks, though I have a personal preference for "Stargazer". However, I don't understand those who speak of plagiarism... "Stargazer" doesn't really sound anything like "Kashmir" - all they have in common is the length and epic scope, and perhaps that Oriental-inspired vibe. That's all, IMHO. If you really want a song that's clearly influenced by "Kashmir", I'd say, listen to Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers". [/QUOTE]
Let's see...i like "Stargazer" so much, it rocks, its great...but as always i suspect about Blackmore...in some point of his career time he was lost...i'm thinking in his personal influences and inspiration, muses, whatever....as musician and he begun to attend some elements of 1st position bands...emulating, whatever...to join the mainstream...and the mix rock and ethnic, mystic it's and example....i think he needed new ideas to leave DP...look again the hipnotic riff....the last part with G and A based scale like Kashmir...well the hipnotic riff is in E and Kashmir in D but i'm talkin about big structures.....and the chorus.....A minor to G in Stargazer ("...in the heat and the rain...") and Kashmir G minor to A. ("...All I see turns to brown...") ....more than one
I like stargazer but kasmir was unique in 70's
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What! can the devil speak true?
Macbeth, 1. 3
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Raff
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Posted: August 04 2007 at 15:44 |
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They're both great tracks, though I have a personal preference for "Stargazer". However, I don't understand those who speak of plagiarism... "Stargazer" doesn't really sound anything like "Kashmir" - all they have in common is the length and epic scope, and perhaps that Oriental-inspired vibe. That's all, IMHO. If you really want a song that's clearly influenced by "Kashmir", I'd say, listen to Deep Purple's "Perfect Strangers".
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Posted: August 04 2007 at 13:02 |
Kashmir reminds me of classical composition Bolero. It builds up, it keeps tension, it keeps flowing, it explodes. And trust me when i say that i had my fair share of Rainbow when i was a heavy metal kid. Zeppelin all the way. 
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 23:08 |
For me it's Stargazer.
kashmir is rocking, and has quite a Dose of wonderous moment's, but Stargazer is the ultimate hardrock epic, only few songs come close in really exciting me that much, a selection of those include Sleepwalkers from VDGG, Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen and Grendel by Marillion, and that's it, total entrancement and when it's on, no need to speak to me, for than I'm listening with all my senses.
one of the best songs ever created is Rainbows Stargazer, and Kashmir is just one of many great songs.
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 20:55 |
Led Zep were one of the worst proponents of plaigarism ! 'Whole lotta love' just for starters!
Whilst I don't have any particular preference between the two songs, Blackmore steals his own solo from 'Stormbringer' . It's almost identical to the one he uses in Stargazer.
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Posted: August 01 2007 at 13:14 |
Well...i'm gonna tell you somthing that DP fans may fell angry.....but...it's true....two tracks with eastern musical structures....but Kashmir was released in 1975 and was created in mid 1974....and since first Zep album we can find tracks with easter musical mixtures like Black Mountain side......Stargazer appeared in 1976-77 in Rainbow Rising album.....and hipnotic riff...like kashmir....yeas...i mean as always Blackmore pick up some somedody else's musical ideas....for example look tha last part of stargazer....and then listen last part of Kashmir....  
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What! can the devil speak true?
Macbeth, 1. 3
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nightlamp
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Posted: July 31 2007 at 17:02 |
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"Stargazer" and its companion "A Light in the Black" make for some truly epic listening...
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