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erik neuteboom 
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 18:57 |
Hello fellow progheads.
How nice and skillfull some musicians were, their departure led to a huge improvement of the band. I am curious to your opinion which musician was missed not at all because his departure turned out to be a real boost to the band!
My vote goes drummer John Rutsey, his successor
Neil Peart needs no introduction  !
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Dean
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 19:11 |
Rick Wakeman leaving Yes produced Relayer - their finest album.
I cannot agree with any of your choices though, except maybe Anthony Phillips leaving Genesis (but a Genesis with Ant and Steve would have been cool!)
Edited by darqdean - July 03 2007 at 19:11
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ProgBagel
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 19:11 |
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Like your choices but I'm just here to add.
Dominici leaving dream theater for LaBrie.
Kevin Moore leaving was a heartbreaker.
Sherinian too....
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 19:16 |
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Personally, I think Hogarth is exactly what the boys in Marillion needed; however. Rutsey leaving Rush and ushering in Peart really changed the sound of that band. I went with Rutsey leaving Rush.
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rushaholic
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 19:39 |
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Got to be Rutsey leaving and the arrival of Peart.
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Soul Dreamer
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 20:21 |
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Not in the list, but Peter Banks leaving Yes after Time and a Word, and Steve Howe entering, must be the biggest boost any band ever had.
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To be the one who seeks so I may find .. (Metallica)
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The Doctor
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 21:07 |
John Rutsey leaving Rush is the obvious choice. Without that happening, the drumming and lyrical genius that is Neil Peart would either be unknown or a part of some other band.
One that strikes me as being left off is John Mayhew getting the boot from Genesis, not to mention Chris Stewart and John Silver leaving, which paved the way for Phil Collins.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 21:25 |
There are two bigger:
Dominici leaves Dream Theater...
Mick Pointer leaves Marillion....
Those two were real boosts...
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DaysEnd
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 21:53 |
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Have to agree with Soul Dreamer; Peter Banks leaving Yes was the first, and bigger, step in forming their classic sound. Steve Howe layered on many interesting sounds in their earlier music. Yours Is No Disgrace could never have been done by anyone but Howe.
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All the old familiar choruses come crowding in a different key: Melodies decaying in sweet dissonance.
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Dim
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 23:29 |
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Phillips was good, but it is really not fair to stand him up to Hackett
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DethMaiden
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 23:36 |
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Rutsey leaving Rush...but that's so unfair to Rutsey since Peart is God.
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Arsillus
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 23:37 |
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Since it was predestined for Neil Peart to join Rush, I'll pick the next best one, Peter Banks leaving Yes.
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Posted: July 03 2007 at 23:50 |
 schizoid_man77 wrote:
Phillips was good, but it is really not fair to stand him up to Hackett |
Phillips wrote a couple of great songs with Genesis too, in his short tenure (Visions of Angels and Dusk). And I love Phillips solo work too. One has to wonder how Genesis would have evolved had Phillips never left.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 03:40 |
darqdean wrote:
Rick Wakeman leaving Yes produced Relayer - their finest album.
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That is an interesting thought, Dargdean, but since no one has voted for the following, let me have a go at it:
"Eno leaving Roxy Music produced STRANDED - their finest album, which is blessed with Eddie Jobson's superior keyboard playing." 
Oh I KNOW I'm supposed to admire Eno's experiments on the B-side of FOR YOUR PLEASURE, and I do admire them, but Jobson's a far better instrumentalist than Eno, and STRANDED's the first Roxy album without a single weak or boring track.
Moreover, Eno's leaving gave him the opportunity to start all sorts of fascinating collaborations with Fripp and Cluster, after which he started working with Bowie and the Talking Heads, and rock music hasn't been the same since. Without exaggeration we can say Eno's departure was of historic significance. 
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Visitor13
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 03:42 |
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It's not about one person leaving, it's about another person joining.
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The Whistler
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 03:50 |
Mick Abrahams, from the Tull.
And whoever let Bruford into Crimso.
Edited by The Whistler - July 04 2007 at 03:51
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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The Whistler
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 03:52 |
DaysEnd wrote:
Have to agree with Soul Dreamer; Peter Banks leaving Yes was the first, and bigger, step in forming their classic sound. Steve Howe layered on many interesting sounds in their earlier music. Yours Is No Disgrace could never have been done by anyone but Howe. |
Uh, Ritchie Blackmore?
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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iguana
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 04:13 |
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VERY good poll! kudos.
VERY close draw between rutsey leaving rush and – in retrospect –
fish leaving marillion.
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 04:24 |
Interesting posts  , especially the mentioning of Peter Banks, as a huge Steve Howe and Seventies Yes fan I should have included this one too 
And although I don't like post-Hackett era Genesis, I have to admit that the Collins-trio did very well but more in a commercial way, not artistically in my opinion  And Rick Wakeman leaving Yes .. quite provocative to call the 'Patrick Moraz one-shot Yes line-up album Relayer' their best effort, Mr. Dargdean |
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Posted: July 04 2007 at 04:46 |
The Doctor wrote:
schizoid_man77 wrote:
Phillips was good, but it is really not fair to stand him up to Hackett |
Phillips wrote a couple of great songs with Genesis too, in his short tenure (Visions of Angels and Dusk). And I love Phillips solo work too. One has to wonder how Genesis would have evolved had Phillips never left. |
Agreed. However, Ant did go on to study classical guitar after leaving Genesis, which must have aided the quality of his solo work.
ps: It's darQ with a "Q", pronounced dark
Edited by darqdean - July 04 2007 at 04:48
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