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zachfive 
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Joined: November 13 2005 Location: Kitsap WA Status: Offline Points: 770 |
 Topic: Kansas is Prog! Listen and Decide.Posted: July 18 2007 at 20:36 |
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I've been a huge fan of progressive rock for as long as i can remember.
My favorites include Rush, ELP, J-Tull, Yes, Cream, Simon &
Garfunkle, Greatful Dead. (Last two may not be prog but close.)
Anyways, I've recently listened to some Kansas and found out there much
more than what the radio plays(Dust in the Wind/Wayward Son). I suggest
listening to "Song for America" , "No One Together" ", and "The
Pinnacle" . It reminds me of Yes+Boston.
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Atavachron
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Posted: July 18 2007 at 20:40 |
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you'll find many Kansas fans here
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zachfive
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Joined: November 13 2005 Location: Kitsap WA Status: Offline Points: 770 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 20:45 |
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I'd think I would. What made me so skeptical was that i searched the site for Kansas threads and found only one, and it was somewhat similar to this one. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, however the point still stands Kansas is a great prog band and probably is undiscovered by too many.
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sircosick
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Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 22:25 |
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I'm not a great Kansas listener, but I'd give them a 50% of prog (sympho) and a 50% of Arena Rock (à la Boston, Journey, etc.). Maybe this link with those bands of Arena Rock (an escentially commercial genre) has made of Kansas an "undiscovered band" by too many guys, IMHO........ despite their really huge radio hits.
Note: when they came to Chile about three years ago (to Festival de Viña), they played a lot of experimental symphonic-oriented crap (quite boring) and people were just waiting for Dust in the Wind...... hi hi hi |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 18 2007 at 22:37 |
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I think you haven't searched well,
This is only the first of 5 pages about Kansas threads, probably is one of the most debated bands here.
My search has found 100 threads about Kansas, probably there are a bit more because OI guess the limit of the search feature is 100 threads.
BTW: Welcome to the site, it's great to have another Kansas fan.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 18 2007 at 22:40 |
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sircosick
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Joined: January 29 2007 Location: Chile Status: Offline Points: 1264 |
Posted: July 18 2007 at 22:40 |
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^ Because they're not totally prog???
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 18 2007 at 23:12 |
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Sircosick wrote:
1.- Kansas was in Chile last year not three years ago, and were taken to the wrong place "Viña del Mar" is a Festival for popular music like "Eurovision". and they were taken as a last minute replacement for Journey.
2.- They were treated like sh!t by the Press, so they were not in their best mood, I made a review here about the presentation and found this:
One of the reporters asked them "Do you feel that you are already Dust in the Wind? To what Phil Ehart replied "Ask me that when I'm dead" and they left the conference.
3.- They opened the night for a comedian and a Salsa or Raegetton musician, so the audience was not the best. 4.- The hosts were a disaster, I also wrote this a day after the show:
4.-: Experimental Symphonic oriented crap????:
It's obvious you haven't heard almost anything by Kansas, they played:
Opus Insert
Paradox
Icarus/Borne on Wings of Steel,
Miracles Out of Nowhere
Point of Know Return
Dust in the Wind
Carry on my Wayward Song
For God's sake, that is basic Kansas stuff, there's nothing experimental in those tracks, by the contrary, this tracks are among the best known Prog tracks except Dust in the Wind which is not Prog.
And BTW, they are a Prog band with a couple non Prog albums with no connection with Journey or Boston, except that all are from USA and reached the peak almost simultaneously.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 18 2007 at 23:50 |
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sircosick
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 11:27 |
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^ Well, forgive my mistake about the bloody years.... My memory doesn't work good enough lately
 The audience will never be the best in a place like Viña del Mar, where almost nobody has no idea about symphonic prog. You don't need to talk about the host..... they were, in fact, a disaster, as you said. And I dunno exactly what do you mean with it all....... they played poorly because of this bunch of issues? Perhaps yes. But: 1.- Being honest, I, in fact, have just heard Point of no Return & Leftoverture from Kansas. So, logically I don't have a huge knowledge of them. 2.- Finally, experimental or not, quintessential or not, the tracklist was pretty boring, seeming as they were playing live in a studio, with the violinist playing poorly (does Peru TV broadcast this chilean event?), and the singer....... pfff....... Mainly my previous points were refered to their performance per se. Much better if Journey was back that time, within or without Steve Perry, who, BTW, is an awesome singer and frontman. Edited by sircosick - July 19 2007 at 12:44 |
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StyLaZyn
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Joined: November 22 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4079 |
Posted: July 19 2007 at 11:51 |
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Yes, many us of will fully agree that Kansas is totally Prog.
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Mandrakeroot
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Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
Posted: July 19 2007 at 12:44 |
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For me KANSAS is one of the band (with Uriah Heep, ELP, Wishbone Ash, Blue Oyster Cult, Rainbow, Atomic Rooster and many others) without that the Prog Metal never would have been born.
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King of Loss
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Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16991 |
Posted: July 19 2007 at 13:01 |
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About untrue as Dream Theater not influenced by Rush......
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 16:22 |
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Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 19 2007 at 16:24 |
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 16:41 |
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^^^
How sad it is. I wonder why of that reception. Does the reason is Kansas come from US?  Edited by Andrea Cortese - July 19 2007 at 16:43 |
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Guillermo
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Joined: November 28 2004 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 814 |
Posted: July 19 2007 at 17:19 |
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I agree that the Viña del Mar Festival is not for bands like Kansas. Sorry, but the audience has the fame of being "very hard" with the artists, even for ballad singers from Latin America: if they like the artists, they clap a lot; if they don`t like the artist, they boo to the artists. I think if I was a famous Rock musician I never was going to play there. I think that is not very polite to boo the artists at the whim of the audience.
Kansas also played in Acapulco, Mexico, in 1999, in a Festival called "Acapulco `99", organized by Mexican Televisa, and broadcasted by TV. They played some of their hits: "Dust in the Wind" and "Carry On Wayward Son". Like the Viña del Mar Festival, it is a festival more for Latin American ballad singers. But the audience was very good in their response for Kansas.
In the "Acapulco `93" Festival, the band called Chicago played there, and were broadcasted on TV. Since then, I stopped liking Chicago`s music. Why? Because the guitarist whose second name is Bailey "showed the finger" to the TV cameras! Their performance was broadcasted twice, but in the second time, Bailey`s gesture was edited out. *
The commentary about hosts who don`t know nothing about the band they are interviewing made me remember when Tears for Fears (Roland Orzabal and his backing band, without Curt Smith) came to play to my city in 1993. TV Azteca sent a woman who even didn`t know Roland Orzabal`s name. She kept calling him "Ronald" during the interview. Obvioiusly, she was sent by the TV channel only to include an interview in the show that she was hosting. "Ronald" wasn`t very happy with the interview, of course. He simply was polite, but when she asked him what things of interviews he hated, he said "I really like the interviews when the interviewer knows about the history of the band and shows some respect to the artist". She was very nervous, but the production team didn`t gave her information about the band or she didn`t investigate about the band. In comparison, the interviewer sent by the Televisa TV in 1992 knew very well the history of the band, so Roland Orzabal looked very happy during the interview.
I agree: "Two for the Show" is a very good Prog Rock album which could be considered as a "Best of Kansas" album. IMO, Kansas is a very good Prog Rock band, but I think that it was better with their original line-up which included Kerry Livgren.
* Edit # 3: Bailey has not being the only one "artist" who has "showed the finger" to the TV cameras in Mexico. Britney Spears did it in 2002 or 2003 during her Tour, when one TV channel`s camera was in front of her in the window of her car. Since then, when one person "shows the finger" to the TV cameras, now it is called as "la Britney-señal" ("Birtney`s signal", in English) in Mexican TV programmes!  Britney never came back to Mexico, of course! (Who needs her anyway?) She closed her Tour here in Mexico City, playing one concert, and another concert was canceled the next day because "it was rainning", but the real reason was that she went to a big party the night before, and she drank a lot, and, of course, in the next day`s concert, she couldn`t dance or sing. She only sang one or two songs, and canceled the concert! Edited by Guillermo - July 19 2007 at 17:46 |
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Avatar: Photo of Solar Eclipse, Mexico City, July 1991. A great experience to see. Maybe once in a lifetime.
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erik neuteboom
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Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: July 19 2007 at 17:27 |
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I discovered the exciting and unique heavy prog Kansas sound in the mid-Seventies, I was mesmerized by the great cover paintings and bought their first three albums, what a Holy Trinity of swirling violin, vintage keyboards and heavy guitar
 Two For The Show is an excellent live recording and Leftoverture is my favorite studio album. After The Point Of Know Return is lost my interest in Kansas but the 1982 live video is quite good.
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Garion81
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 18:10 |
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Robby Steinhardt left the band after two more shows after that debacle in Chile and David Ragsdale replaced him. Robby was incredibly burnt out. Steve's voice comes and goes. He has decent shows and terrible shows these days he no longer has great shows. Length of travel and air pollution affect him greatly.
Explain something to me sircosik if Ivan is correct about this setlist (and I have no reason to doubt him) how did you not know it if you have only heard the Leftoverature and Point of Know Return albums?
Opus Insert -Leftoverature
Paradox -Point of Know Return
Icarus/Borne on Wings of Steel-Masque
Miracles Out of Nowhere- Leftoverature
Point of Know Return-Point of Know Return
Dust in the Wind-Point of Know Return
Carry on my Wayward Song-Leftoverature
Maybe you need to re-listen to them again-
Two for the Show is a great album but unfortunately if you want all of it you need to get the remastered version of Kansas Greatest Hits since it has the live version of Closet Chronicles left off of the CD version of TFTS because of time constraints. I think that live version of the song is much better than the already great track on PoKR.
To Zachfive: Welciome aboard!
 Edited by Garion81 - July 19 2007 at 18:11 |
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sircosick
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 22:11 |
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^ Dunno if Iván's setlist exposed is the correct..... sorry, but I got into Kansas at least a pair of months after the Festival
Even being chilean, I absolutely agree with Guillermo.... Viña's Festival has sucked latest years mostly because of the audience.... A shame, really. To Iván: actually, Festival de Viña isn't capable to has an apropiatte audience to recieve "old music", unless it were VERY popular (as Tom Jones or thing). But to bands like Kansas or Journey, playin' in this event is kinda crazy...... and makes no sense. (BTW, I'm gonna get the live album you've reccomended...... thanks) And well, I can understand perfectly that Kansas maybe weren't in their best moment last year. So, this was an awful performance or I hardly could get their music (overall in a live concert and with all of their members in the fifties  )Edited by sircosick - July 19 2007 at 22:12 |
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Prog_Traveller
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Posted: July 19 2007 at 22:32 |
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Kansas over all are at least as much a prog band as Rush, Jethro Tull, Genesis or Pink Floyd. Anyone who thinks they are simply an aor band(ala later Journey, Foreigner, Boston, REO etc)has not heard their earlier material. Sure they had a few radio hits in there but so did Yes, Floyd, Tull etc. I think they get unfarily treated because those who don't know any better just judge them by what they hear on the radio. If people pulled that with Genesis nobody would think they were prog either. ;)
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 20 2007 at 00:35 |
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No, the problem is that this Festivals in Latin America are covered by public TV so they send the same hosts that interview Daddy Yanquee, Vico C, Rickly Martin or Menudo to interview Kansas or Rick Wakeman.
Obviously they don't know a damn thing about Prog, but in the case of Kansas it was worst, Viña had anounced Journey for a month, but two days before they cancelled, probably the hosts had studied the history of Journey and were able only to study some basic facts from Kansas, so they were lost.
In April i was interviewed by Public TV about Roger Waters because he was comming, and the guys who came were depressive, they wanted to see crazy lunatics with T-Shirts, a lot of memorabilia and talking "Hey dude Roger rules"
But when we started to speak with coherence about the importance of Pink Floyd and Roger, they edited our interview because their questions were totally out of line.
It is worst, I almost took a case for the TV station that filmed all Rick Wakeman concert (Never showed on TV) with 5 cameras, so I asked one of the managers (her son studied with me) to give me a copy, I searched in the archive (until I found the tape with the name "Rick Wakeman en Lima Editado".............They had erased it to film a Menudo concert.
 Iván
BTW: The setlist is correct, I have it taped completely, they played those songs in Viña.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 20 2007 at 00:43 |
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Garion81
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Posted: July 20 2007 at 02:12 |
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I was fairly sure you were on that Ivan.
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