Are you Experienced? Jimi Hendrix

 

Hendrix toured with Floyd in 1967 and obviously they heard each other's music a lot, yet I cannot hear any Hendix influence in Floyd or vice versa.

 

There are records which are both psychedelic and progressive rock in theire nature, so the way we have decide to label these bands here doesn't make the fact of their existence our invention, but the product of the artists which made the records.

and that is what we are supposed to do...hell that is what we did with RPI..  we create the genres to help classify these bands for the listeners and prog explorers out there. However.. what my point was... that may have been lost considering my mind works much faster than fingers.... is that with the famous, big name artists... history HAS to be taken into account.  We have had some discussions about trying to be consistant about additions.... and based purely on his music... sure he might have a case for psych prog  (though I'm not sold on it hahha)  but  to the posters here... much like Deep Purple which has been kicked around.. history sees them as something other than prog... regardless of how many prog songs Hendrix did.. or how many prog albums Deep Purple did.  As far as Proto-Prog.. a NON prog category.. that comes later in your post....

 

micky wrote: Everything in prog has derived from Floyd, King Crimson and the other masters...

  

 

I don't agree with you with this non-precise statement statement. King Crimson were prog already, and Fripp himself has said that he wanted to create music which would sound like Jimi Hendrix playing classical music (I recall this was in Eric Tamm's book).

 that is why Fripp is known as a founding member of prog... and Hendrix is not.  Fripp did it... fate took Jimi away before he did.

micky wrote: did Hendrix directly influence them musically.  If so, then he should be in,  I just  don't see it... or hear it.

 

To be frank, IMHO you don't hear it.

 

From the first album 1967 "Are You Experienced?" there are very interesting tracks ahead of their time in the rock music frame of reference. Like "Third Stone from The Sun", "I don't Live Today", "Love or Confusion" + the many details in the playing and arrangements of the songs. If you listen the Jimi Hendrix "Best of" album having only "Purple Haze" and "Hey Joe", I understand that the influence to prog music remains a mystery. I don't know how much you have listened to this band. Also the following albums "Axis: Bold as Love" continue the artistic andventures in the psychedelic reference, and teh following "Electric Ladyland" could be seen as a pure prog album IMO. So I think he influenced the psychedelic prog and krautrok bands fundamentally. He didn't probably influence YES and GENESIS, but so what? They are not the only aspect of progressive rock music, though they are good bands?

For what it's worth Eetu.. considering the standards set for Proto Prog by the admins and owner... Hendrix probably should be here.... my point is..  I think the standards have been way too loose.  The Doors.. .Jefferson Airplane... great groups.. who had not a DAMN thing to do with what Emerson Lord and Fripp were cooked up in the late 60's.  As I said in the collab area.... I don't support him for Proto...but his inclusion makes sense because the non prog categories are exactly about the dreaded 'if x then y'.  They are not being judged solely on their music.. .but by other criteria.  Degree of progresive elements.. degree of influnce  and blaa blaa blaa