The anatomy of a good drummer |
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Yorkie X
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Topic: The anatomy of a good drummer Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:34 |
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this is a good idea for a poll I only wish I was confidant I pulled it off OK .. so here are some choices some good valid choices some are daft, but hey I`m a drummer so what did you expect , just got of the kit after inventing a new drum solo and I`m puffed so if this poll is dumb don`t blame me blame the lack of oxygen in my brain
The reason I titled this poll as "The anatomy of a good drummer" is I want to find the single most primitive if you will or most sophisticated if you will thing that engages you , I am not talking about the culmination of the entire rhythmic body rather an isolated area of attraction you first experience that "hes good" voice in the head when you hear it , for me its sparse yet perfect placement of the toms, for you it may be a different thing pending on what "tribe" you descended from in this evolutionary path. very hard to explain I hope you understand what I`m saying ... we all have different chemical responses in the brain for different things what I aim to do being a drummer is cater for those Edited by Yorkie X - August 10 2007 at 07:08 |
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alan_pfeifer
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:40 | |
too many options.
Personally, I look for groove between the Drummer and Bassist, as that's wjhat my expeerience has shown that's what lands you props over technicality.
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Dim
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 00:42 | |
Syncopated kick with the bass or vocals, Danney Carey and Bill Bruford are excellent at this!
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 01:04 | |
Damn son, do you have to be a drummer to get this poll? Because I usually pride myself on looking for good drummers in unusual places, but this soared...RIGHT over my head.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 01:16 | |
Just the opposite of all the options: putting it all together. Just 'cause you syncopate the kick well or can play quick ghost notes on the snare doesn't mean it will sound good. The best drummers use combinations of these techniques in order to do whatever best fits the piece.
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Dim
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 01:38 | |
^ he's right! |
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Yorkie X
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 02:28 | |
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MuzikLuva
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 06:13 | |
Playing/using the entire kit as an instrument, thus providing a melody
(so to speak) to compliment everything else that is going on in a
piece. The drums should not be used just as a timepiece or
metronome. They should add to the musical experience.
Listen to Bruford, Palmer (earlier ELP), Peart along with some of the
jazz greats. Sometimes less is more!
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laplace
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 06:25 | |
drummer has to be french or japanese
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 06:40 | |
Definitely other. What a good drummer needs is a feel for the rhythm and lots of imagination to come up with interesting things to garnish it with. There are a few drummers around who are technically well versed but utterly predictable in what they will do next; I won't give any names because I don't want to heat a debate.
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magnus
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 07:16 | |
I agree fully with Rileydog and BaldFriede, but if I was to choose 1 thing that was especially appealing to me, it would be hi hat control. I love Phil Collins' drumming, and this is one of the things he's very good at!
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Frippertron
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 07:38 | |
For me definately a jazz drummer, a lot of skill is required to keep time with Prog, and constant concentration..
Bruford has the quality, any band with Bruford playing you know you are in for some good music.
For me, a bad drummer equals a bad band (The Beatles??? Errmmm.. Ok.. Apart from them!)
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Yorkie X
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 08:39 | |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 11:50 | |
A good groove always wins with me. Jazz trained with some funk tendancies. I'm not sure about Gavin Harrison's root style, but he manages to play some excellent beats and not ruin them with over played fills.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 11:51 | |
Unfortunately "groove" is one of these words no-one can really define. |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 12:00 | |
I can appreciate that thought. To me a groove incoporates a feel for the music. Some drummers are somewhat robotic or random. A few of my favorite drummers are guilty of this.
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yface1
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 17:01 | |
My brother is a drummer and I take his work very seriously and have suffered, I mean, loved every minute of his drumming the last year. For me, what sets him apart from every other young drummer in my region (He does drum competitions and has auditioned for 3 bands for which he's successful thus I've heard loads of kids his age) is the fact that his drum teacher "taught" him Jazz drumming then fused it with his funk soul to create amazing grooves, so to speak. As for the other kids I've heard play - they seem to aim more for speed or simple melodic beats which is why they weren't successful in the band auditions. So to me, it's obvious that Jazz/Funk makes a good drummer and creates the best grooves ever.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 17:08 | |
YOu can't just look for one thing in a drummer like that. Jazz training means nothing if they have no snare control.
And all that amounts to nothing if they got no feel. EDIT: And why was I the first person to vote for originality??!?! That's vital! Gavin Harrison and Bruford would be nothing if didn't have that feel. Edited by Shakespeare - August 10 2007 at 17:10 |
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micky
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 17:08 | |
frequent use of the toms... Keith Moon was the master of that. Funny as hell... Raff and I went to B&N last night and I picked up a drumming mag that had Peart on the cover. Seems Moon was a big influence on him... says you can hear it in his drumming. Funny the way drum purists like to sl*g Moon off.
Edited by micky - August 10 2007 at 17:09 |
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darkshade
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Posted: August 10 2007 at 17:12 | |
what do you call someone who hangs around musicians?
a drummer
...jk
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