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StyLaZyn 
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 11:15 |
Lately on a few American TV channels, the UFO documentaries have appeared again. I thought this poll might be interesting. My thought is that is ridiculous, judging by the age and size of the unexplored universe, to think we can't be alone.
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Vompatti
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 11:27 |
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As long as they stay out of my way I don't care.
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chopper
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 11:44 |
I would agree that there is likely to be intelligent life elsewhere. Whether they would have developed the technology to get here (since our nearest neighbours are likely to be many light years away) is another matter.
If I remember rightly the last lot of "UFOs" reported over here were some balloons that someone let off at a party.
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laplace
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 11:45 |
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I see myself joining an UFO cult
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el böthy
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 13:09 |
It is true, it is absurd to be alone is suh a vast univers, but the question, whaeter UFO have been spottet or if they have even come to earth, this to me is kinf of absurd. If the laws of physics are right, no speed is greater than the Speed of light, and even if this "aliens" controlled such speed, it would take them hundreds of millions of years to get from one place to another... of course... I might be extremly wrong... 
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chopper
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 13:49 |
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Maybe they travel through a hole in the space-time continuum.
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BaldJean
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 13:52 |
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UFOs exist. they are exactly what the name says: Unidentified Flying Objects. to say they are flown by aliens would make them identified flying objects
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 14:12 |
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Jean is correct with what she says.
Aliens have never visited Earth and we've never visited the Moon.
Get over it.
I do believe in life on other planets though. We're not alone, it's true. It's just they've never got any futher than their home planet.
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Dean
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 14:27 |
I saw a UFO the other week at the Lattitude festival: back at the tent sometime after midnight I was star-gazing through the narrow band of visible night sky not washed out by the festival lights when a glowing silvery object flew overhead. (Before you say it - I was not under the influence). Its speed and motion was too slow to be an aircraft or meteor and too erratic to be a free-flying balloon. I pointed the object out to Debs, (who can confirm the sighting), as it suddenly changed direction and disappeared from view.
As a rational 'scientific' person I was a little shaken by the experience, but wracked my brain trying to think of a plausible explanation - then it dawned: the lighting around the festival site was unshielded, emitting as much light into the heavens as it was spilling out over the camping area - the object was probably a white bird, possibly an owl, (eventhough its motion suggested something like a bat - may be an albino bat) caught in the up-light from the arc lamps - the slightly misty atmosphere causing the bird to look as if it were glowing. UFO identified - an IFO. 
I am perfectly happy with the idea that there is life somewhere in the Universe other than here, however, the probablility of them visiting Earth is infintesimal - the distances are just too great. Faster Than Light travel is science fiction, physics does not support the concept - even at the quantum level. Wormholes/blackholes may exist, but physical matter cannot use them as a tunnel - energy may be able to travel through them (Hawking Radiation) but the information to reconstitute the energy back into matter would be scrambled in the process.
Edited by darqdean - August 13 2007 at 14:29
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 14:37 |
Of the scientific theories that we have, nothing explains travel at great distances in short amounts of times, rationally. But then again, there is much we don't know. We base our theories on what we know only. Base it on things we can see or measure.
In order to think in terms of future positive, we would have to drop our egos and explore the possibility of life forms, much more progressed than ours, existing. Even if 1000 years older than man in terms of the evolution of scientific concepts. Look at the developments of the last 100 years. Not to mention untapped energy sources like gravity.
But this is what SciFi is all about. Yesterday's fiction is in part today's reality.
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 14:49 |
in the middle ages it was angels, visions and sea monsters
from the 1800's ghosts and spirits
from the 1950's it's been UFO's
There has never been proof that UFO's have ever existed. 
..but you never know.... 
Edited by mystic fred - August 13 2007 at 14:50
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stonebeard
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 15:06 |
 Geck0 wrote:
and we've never visited the Moon. |
 Ooh...conspiracy theorist.
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purplepiper
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 19:28 |
I think it a near necessity that life exist somewhere else in the universe. The all infinite, ever expanding, ages old universe. If we were alone...such wasted space, literally! I'd put my money on there being life out there besides us, but i've never seen a ufo and I can't say i'm sure any have visited earth.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 19:33 |
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I have actually seen a UFO (as in, I wasn't sure what they were, but they weren't space ships).
Quite weird, I must say. I never did find out what they were, though.
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Shakespeare
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Posted: August 13 2007 at 19:36 |
mystic fred wrote:
in the middle ages it was angels, visions and sea monsters
from the 1800's ghosts and spirits
from the 1950's it's been UFO's
There has never been proof that UFO's have ever existed.
..but you never know....
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I think that in modern days "it" (whatever "It" is supposed to mean) is everything listed - with UFOs and Sea Monsters in decline since the creation of the handheld video camera. Ghost and spirit documentaries are made aplenty, and angelic visions have been a part of "it" since before Christ. UFO does not necessarily mean alien, you know. But on the alien topic, I'm agnostic...with slight atheist leanings. I think that if life exists beyond us makes us less special, and, goshdarnit, I like being special!
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proger
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 11:19 |
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yes, somewere there is other life forms
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...live for tomorrow...
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Philéas
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Posted: August 14 2007 at 22:39 |
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There's no way we can be sure of whether they exist or not. So they might as well exist for now.
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Tapfret
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 01:48 |
Man, anybody who has taken a philosophy class knows that everything is actually unidentified and may or may not exist in the first place. We can only use evidenced based labeling, and when something is flying we are limited to a mere 40% of our given senses to cultivate our evidence. That number drops as well when you figure in distance and/our lighting.
So take that!
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Dean
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 05:55 |
Tapfret wrote:
Man, anybody who has taken a philosophy class knows that everything is actually unidentified and may or may not exist in the first place. We can only use evidenced based labeling, and when something is flying we are limited to a mere 40% of our given senses to cultivate our evidence. That number drops as well when you figure in distance and/our lighting.
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A value of 40% is a meanless number - you only use half that percentage to read this page but you can still identify the words. Identifying something is to do with recognition - you cannot identify what you do not recognise, but sound reasoning and logic gives us the ability to formulate rational possibilities for what you do not recognise. Other than that - I agree 
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BaldFriede
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 10:11 |
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I saw a UFO once when I was 16 and went to school one morning. It was a bright green ball. I was not the only one who had seen it; everyone at school was excited about it. It finally turned out it was the remains of a little comet that glowed from the frictional heat of the atmosphere.
Edited by BaldFriede - August 15 2007 at 10:11
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