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    Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:30

What song do you think is the first true psychedelic song. Some people think it's Eight Miles High and some of have said Tomorrow Never Knows. The 13TH floor Elevators first album was recorded in late 1966. The Doors came out in early 1967. Jefferson Airplane Surrealistic Pillow was recorded after Revolver. I guess you know my choice.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:44
Hi

I like "Tomorrow Never Knows"
l love the version in "Love"



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:48
I think Nowhere Man off of Rubber Soul is the first real psych tune, way back in 65.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 12:56
As written before the Beatles were visiting the West Coast in the mid 60's to check out the scene there, they were picking up on psychedelia being created there and bringing it back to the UK to transmogrify into their own form of psychedelia . So IMHO the Beatles were late on the scene. Instead check out those Nuggets sets, e.g.
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  • I Had Too Much To Dream (Last Night) - The Electric Prunes
  • Dirty Water - The Standells
  • Night Time - The Strangeloves
  • Lies - The Knickerbockers
  • Respect - The Vagrants
  • A Public Execution - Mouse
  • No Time Like The Right Time - The Blues Project
  • Oh Yeah - The Shadows Of Knight
  • Pushin' Too Hard - The Seeds
  • Moulty - The Barbarians
  • Don't Look Back - The Remains
  • An Invitation To Cry - The Magicians
  • Liar, Liar - The Castaways
  • You're Gonna Miss Me - The Thirteenth Floor Elevators
  • Psychotic Reaction - Count Five
  • Hey Joe - The Leaves
  • Romeo & Juliet - Michael & The Messengers
  • Sugar And Spice - The Cryan Shames
  • Baby Please Don't Go - The Amboy Dukes
  • Tobacco Road - Blues Magoos
  • Let's Talk About Girls - Chocolate Watch Band
  • Sit Down, I Think I Love You - The Mojo Men
  • Run, Run, Run - The Third Rail
  • My World Fell Down - Sagittarius
  • Open My Eyes - Nazz
  • Farmer John - The Premiers
  • It's-A-Happening - The Magic Mushrooms
  • Talk Talk - The Music Machine
  • Last Time Around - The Del-Vetts
  • Nobody But Me - The Human Beinz
  • Journey To Tyme - Kenny & The Kasuals
  • No Friend Of Mine - The Sparkles
  • Outside Chance - The Turtles
  • Action Woman - The Litter
  • Spazz - The Elastik Band
  • Sweet Young Thing - The Chocolate Watchband
  • Incense And Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock
  • I Ain't No Miracle Worker - The Brogues
  • 7 And 7 Is - Love
  • Time Won't Let Me - The Outsiders
  • Going All The Way - The Squires
  • I'm Gonna Make You Mine - The Shadows Of Knight
  • The Trip - Kim Fowley
  • Can't Seem To Make You Mine - The Seeds
  • Why Do I Cry - The Remains
  • Laugh, Laugh - The Beau Brummels
  • The Little Black Egg - The Nightcrawlers
  • I Wonder - The Gants
  • I See The Light - The Five Americans
  • Who Do You Love - The Woolies
  • Double Shot (Of My Baby's Love) - Swingin' Medallions
  • Live - The Merry-Go-Round
  • Steppin' Out - Paul Revere & The Raiders featuring Mark Lindsay
  • Diddy Wah Diddy - Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band
  • Strychnine - The Sonics
  • Little Girl - Syndicate Of Sound
  • (We Ain't Got) Nothin' Yet - Blues Magoos
  • Shape Of Things To Come (from the motion picture Wild In The Streets) - Max Frost & The Troopers
  • Let It Out (Let It All Hang Out) - The Hombres
  • Fight Fire - The Golliwogs
  • At The River's Edge - New Colony Six
  • Follow Me - Lyme & Cybelle
  • It's Cold Outside - The Choir
  • Beg, Borrow And Steal - The Rare Breed
  • She's About A Mover - Sir Douglas Quintet
  • Little Bit O'Soul - The Music Explosion
  • Put The Clock Back On The Wall - The “E” Types
  • Falling Sugar - The Palace Guard
  • Run, Run, Run - The Gestures
  • I Need You - The Rationals
  • Knock, Knock - The Humane Society
  • Primitive - The Groupies
  • Psycho - The Sonics
  • So What!! - The Lyrics
  • You Must Be A Witch - The Lollipop Shoppe
  • A Question Of Temperature - The Balloon Farm
  • Maid Of Sugar—Maid Of Spice - Mouse & The Traps
  • You Ain't Tuff - The Uniques
  • Sometimes Good Guys Don't Wear White - The Standells
  • She's My Baby - The Mojo Men
  • Story Of My Life - Unrelated Segments
  • I'm Five Years Ahead Of My Time - The Third Bardo
  • Mirror Of Your Mind - We The People
  • Bad Little Woman - The Shadows Of Knight
  • Double Yellow Line - The Music Machine
  • Optical Sound - The Human Expression
  • Journey To The Center Of The Mind - The Amboy Dukes
  • Are You Gonna Be There (At The Love-In) - The Chocolate Watchband
  • Too Many People - The Leaves
  • (Would I Still Be) Her Big Man - The Brigands
  • Are You A Boy Or Are You A Girl - The Barbarians
  • Wooly Bully - Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs
  • I Want Candy - The Strangeloves
  • Louie Louie - The Kingsmen
  • One Track Mind - The Knickerbockers
  • Out Of Our Tree - Wailers
  • I Think I'm Down - Harbinger Complex
  • What Am I Going To Do - The Dovers
  • Codine - The Charlatans
  • Johnny Was A Good Boy - The Mystery Trend
  • Stop—Get A Ticket - Clefs Of Lavender Hill
  • Complication - The Monks
  • The Witch - The Sonics
  • Get Me To The World On Time - The Electric Prunes
  • Mr. Pharmacist - The Other Half
  • Open Up Your Door - Richard & The Young Lions
  • Just Like Me - Paul Revere & The Raiders
  • You Burn Me Up And Down - We The People
  • I Live In The Springtime - The Lemon Drops
  • Mindrocker - Fenwyck
  • Hold Me Now - The Rumors
  • Love's Gone Bad - The Underdogs
  • Why Pick On Me - The Standells
  • Bad Girl - The Zakary Thaks
  • Blackout Of Gretely - Gonn
  • Voices Green And Purple - The Bees
  • Blues' Theme (from the motion picture The Wild Angels) - Davie Allan & The Arrows
  • Jack Of Diamonds - The Daily Flash
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    White Rabbit with its clever use of Lewis Carroll's Alice, to promote the psychelic drug scene, dates to 1965 and I don't believe it was anywhere like the first.


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2007 at 14:30

    Mr Heath this list is mostly garage songs. The psychedelic songs are mostly after Revolver example the Electric Prunes. I would could  consider Tomorrow Never Knows much more psychedelic than any of the songs on this list, before the subgenre was even popular. The list of songs that were released before Tomorrow Never Knows are less Psychedelic than songs that are on Rubber Soul like Nowhere Man and even Norwegian Wood and that is late 1965. The Beatles popularized psychedelic music they were not late in the scene. Late in the scene is not 1966 or late 1965. Your statement is not factual.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 06:40
    Originally posted by Revolver Revolver wrote:

    Mr Heath this list is mostly garage songs. The psychedelic songs are mostly after Revolver example the Electric Prunes. I would could  consider Tomorrow Never Knows much more psychedelic than any of the songs on this list, before the subgenre was even popular. The list of songs that were released before Tomorrow Never Knows are less Psychedelic than songs that are on Rubber Soul like Nowhere Man and even Norwegian Wood and that is late 1965. The Beatles popularized psychedelic music they were not late in the scene. Late in the scene is not 1966 or late 1965. Your statement is not factual.

     
    It is not my list, it is that of the collective pundits of Rhino Records, for that Nuggets box set.  The first edition of Mojo magazine over a decade ago, gave away a booklet compiled and written by Jon Savage, listing 100 psychedelic tracks - which was more meaningful and less "constrained" (as it goes) than any record company's compilation CD.
     
    And you are probably right wrt the garage aspect - however, American 60's garage influenced by the British beat invasion, infected by the hallucinogen culture, and an opening to many world musics, that came together. The vagueness of boundaries, and who was doing what where, make it impossible to pin-point a single tune or group - but no form of music ever spontaneously appeared on the scene: what's the expression, "standing on the shoulders of giants"?
     
    Personally I would like to know if there is a track, a psychedelic missing link involving Don Galucci, between the Kingsmen's Louis Louis and the seminal Touch album (and indeed between Touch and Galucci producing the Stooges' second album....). (One part answer, but not involving Galucci,  might be Vanilla Fudge's cover of You Keep Me Hanging On....)
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 06:49
    Originally posted by Revolver Revolver wrote:

    The Beatles popularized psychedelic music they were not late in the scene. Late in the scene is not 1966 or late 1965. Your statement is not factual.

    Really?
    Popularised not inventing  -  not the first  (same argument wrt Miles Davis and jazz rock). Things were happening so fast in the mid 60's (today, change is slug-like in comparison); being 3 to 6 months behind meant you were late upon the scene. Norwegian Wood was Lennon doing his Dylan - popularising not inventing.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 07:15
    Bob Dylan has to take some credit for penning some of the earliest psychedelia.Taking his cue from the written word and not necessarily the musical side of things.
    The influence of the Victorian/Edwardian writers,Edward Lear and Lewis Carroll along with the 'Beat Poets',Kerouc,Ginsberg,Ferlinghetti et al,took his writing into the style of ;stream of conciousness'.
    Just listen to Mr Tambourine Man,Like a Rolling Stone,Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands etc.and tell me if that was influenced by any other musician.

    On this side of 'the pond' the influence of Dylan on Beatles for sale onwards was all too evident.
    Manfred Mann was one of the earliest interpreters of Dylan's work noticably with the psychy, Quinn the Eskimo.Other bands/writers soon tried to emulate 'Dylan's style' with varying degrees of success.
    One of the better acolytes of Dylan being Scotland's Donovan,who along with Al Stewart had come down to England to seek out the happening folk scene which was morphing into psych folk by 1965.
    Another notable writer/musicians was Graham Gouldman,later a member of 10cc, who penned many 'psych-kitchen sink drama songs' for The Hollies and The Yardbirds. Still I'm Sad,Evil Hearted You and For Your Love by the Yardbirds all recorded 1965-1966 had that psych edge to them.
    Soon to come along were the Small Faces but by this time the trickle was turning into a torrent after the release of Rubber Soul and Revolver in the UK and Safe as Milk by Captain Beefheart and Good Vibrations by the Beach Boys in the USA.


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 07:48

    Mind you the beatles were early compared with:

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 07:52
    Its hard to pin point the band standing between Garage and psychedelic,after all it's evolution but to be easy i'd say strawberry alarm clock are probaly close.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 13:10
    Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

    Mind you the Beatles were early compared with:

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 20:41
    The Beatles roots were skiffle which was folk influenced. The Beatles were already mixing folk with rock on A Hard Days Night. The Byrds noticed this right away and became a electric rock band becuase of there success with rock and folk. Roger McGuinn said last year in Mojo Magazine the Beatles were already doing folk rock already they were the ones who inspired us. Yes in turn The Beatles were influenced by the Byrds and Dylan. The Beatles were already hugely successfull while Dylan was still a folk artist and yet had a top 40 hit.  Without the Beatles Psychedelic music would have never taken off. The Beatles brand of psychedelia with Indian Instruments, avant garde, musique  concrete, mellotron, and using unusual time singnatures is the biggest reason why there is progressive rock. My last point true pyschedelic starts with Tomorrow Never Knows or Eight Miles High. Dylan is lyrically there but not in sound sorry Dylan fanatics.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 21:10
    Norwegian Wood is most likely the first raga folk rock song so who was really doing the inventing there and it helped create world music. What did Dylan say, the Beatles were pointing the direction where music was heading to. You can popularize and invent something at the same time and the Beatles were already doing folk with rock while Dylan was still a folk artist. If anything The Beatles helped Dylan go electric earlier than he might have.  I like Dylan but if you list all the subgenres The Beatles were a major part of it dwarfs Dylan. The Hollies, The Byrds , Manfred Mann and Donovan were highly influenced by the Beatles.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2007 at 23:03

    Do you guys know your rock history it was the Byrds who picked on what the Beatles were doing. The 12 string Rickenbocker jangle sound and folk with rock was on A Hard Day Night before Beatles for Sale. Without that they were have been no Byrds as  admitted by all of them.  The Beatles even did country rock years before it was popular on Beatles For Sale. 

    Psychedelic music was hardly on the map when Eight Miles High was out. Pink Floyd was listening to Revolver when they were writing there first songs. Go read this months Mojo Magazine with Pink Floyd on the cover it  mentions the Beatles influence.  The 60's all the greats were influencing each other the Byrds and Dylan infuenced the Beates. The Byrds and Dylan were influenced by the Beatles. Without the Beatles though they were would have been no Byrds. I doubt Dylan would have gone electric in 1965 without the Beatles as the motivation.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2007 at 07:14
    See My Friends Released 30 July 1965  by The Kinks, it reached #10 on the UK Singles Chart. A rare foray into psychedelic rock for the group, it is sometimes credited as the first Western rock song to integrate Indian raga sounds.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2007 at 07:23
    I own a compilation CD with songs (1965-1967) from The Misunderstood entitled Before The Dream Faded, including the mindblowing track I Can Take You To The Sun, in my opinion this was also very early psychedelic music Thumbs%20Up
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2007 at 07:28
    It might as well be Joe Meek and the The Blue Men: I Hear a New World - An Outer Space Music Fantasy  from 1960. Its also popular music's first concept album.

    Its pretty great too!





    Joe Meeks own comments:

    • Globb Waterfall: This may contradict the belief that there is no water on the moon; I still hope there is, if it's not external then it's inside the crust. Gravity has done a strange thing, and has formed a type of overflowing well. The water rises to form a huge globule on the top of a plateau, and when it's reached its maximum size it falls with a terrific splash to the ground below, and flows away into the cracks of the moon; then the whole cycle repeats itself again and again.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2007 at 07:34
    Joe Meek is an odd one, I think Ritchie Blackmore did session work with him long, long ago.
    I don't know if Meek gets grouped with the exotic lounge crowd, but a lot of those artists were ahead of and or parralleled by some of rock and jazz's most adventurous.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2007 at 07:42
    How 'bout electroacoustic composer Pierre Henry ?



    'In 1964 he produced his Jerks Electronique with a 'song' called
    Psyche Rock under the pseudonym Yper Sound. It sold some 150,000 copies'

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 17 2007 at 08:46
    Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

    How 'bout electroacoustic composer Pierre Henry ?



    'In 1964 he produced his Jerks Electronique with a 'song' called
    Psyche Rock under the pseudonym Yper Sound. It sold some 150,000 copies'

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    Weird - almost everywhere except for the interview you got that quote from gives the date of composition as 1967 - which would make sense, as that's the same time as Fifty Foot Hose released "Cauldron", and Delia Derbyshire performed at the 1,000,000 volt sound and light rave.
     
    There's no recorded electronic-oriented rock prior to these that I'm aware of - and Henry has been on my research radar as important in its development - but not as important as Morton Subotnik and Edgard Varese.
     
    From what I can make out, psychedelic rock was born when the Grateful Dead became the house band at the Acid Test parties in 1965 - no, really - they couldn't help it Big%20smile 
     
    The first psychedelic song on general release was, however, almost without question, 8 Miles High (December 1965). I researched this first 15 years ago, and it doesn't seem to have changed.
     
    The Beatles were inspired by the Byrds and Dylan - and vice versa - all round. The sitar made its first appearance in "Norwegian Wood" (an earlier song, but "proto-psyche"?), after the Beatles met up with the Byrds, and were introduced to Ravi Shankar. It certainly has a psychedelic flavour - as does the whole of Rubber Soul... aside from "Octopus' Garden", perhaps...
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