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    Posted: July 12 2008 at 10:46
My best friend is half-Portuguese and his wife Amelia Portuguese, when we talked about Cuarteto IIII Amelia said that her brother owned Cuarteto IIII LP's, she remembered that she liked the emotion in the music. Next year we will visit the village in Portugal her family is still living, I hope I can scrutinize her brother his room in order to find Cuarteto IIII LP's!
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Really excellent mellotron album.

I didn't bought the CD, as I have it in LP, in one of the 600 copies that are said to have been sold at the time of its release, and the LP is relatively well conserved. But this is very important, as this pearl of portuguese prog rock deserved a reedition that was well made, as I've listened in the CD of a friend.
 
"if you like Mellotron this album is a must Clap!", this is really the main argument, not also for this album, but I think in all Cid's Prog rock career, as the mellotron is again the main factor in "10000 Anos..."
 
Feed your mellotron apetite with this album.
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                                                      Hello Kotro.

Just received that re-edition, I am very glad with it because my copy CD is a version that was put from LP to CD by a Portuguese proghead who send it to me, obrigado because thanks to him I discovered the best Portuguese progrock band: Cuarteto IIII, if you like Mellotron this album is a must Clap!
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By the way, the CD edition of CPV is out and is EXCELLENT. Not perfect, though, but that's due to the flaws of the original.

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Yeah. That's it. José Cid (the mother), and his former band (the grandfathers) of this family that is the portuguese rock are in hereClap.
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Originally posted by Philip Philip wrote:

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. The day of the addition of the grandfathers of portuguese rock is coming: symphonic or eccletic important is the addition.Wink
 


exactly....  in the end.. .that really is all that matter anyway.. Clap
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Good news from Eclectic Hq., the vote is Yes. The self-titled album (1970) (I listened to that as well) is definitely not symphonic-wise, mainly because the "Quartet" combine their previous pop rock/beat music style with hinges of prog rock, psychedelic and minor folk.

That makes Quarteto 1111 as a whole more than Symphonic, even if the 1975 album (which is mostly Symphonic with a bit of rock and hard rock) sounds like the most important of all.

In conclusion, being that symphonic + prog rock + easy psych + pop can result in Eclectic, I'm fine with the addition. I can even add a reason of "classic prog" for them, because Eclectic, in particularly, can accept classic prog rock bands that aren't Symphonic, Canterbury-esque, etc.
Seeing from this point of view, "it all makes perfect Sense"Smile. The day of the addition of the grandfathers of portuguese rock is coming: symphonic or eccletic important is the addition.Wink
 
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Good news from Eclectic Hq., the vote is Yes. The self-titled album (1970) (I listened to that as well) is definitely not
symphonic-wise, mainly because the "Quartet" combine their previous pop
rock/beat music style with hinges of prog rock, psychedelic and minor
folk.

That makes Quarteto 1111 as a whole more than Symphonic, even if the
1975 album (which is mostly Symphonic with a bit of rock and hard rock)
sounds like the most important of all.

In conclusion, being that symphonic + prog rock + easy psych + pop can
result in Eclectic, I'm fine with the addition. I can even add a reason
of "classic prog" for them, because Eclectic, in particularly, can
accept classic prog rock bands that aren't Symphonic, Canterbury-esque,
etc.


Very well thought out Victor. I have now listened to the first album, and I completely agree.


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Good news from Eclectic Hq., the vote is Yes. The self-titled album (1970) (I listened to that as well) is definitely not symphonic-wise, mainly because the "Quartet" combine their previous pop rock/beat music style with hinges of prog rock, psychedelic and minor folk.

That makes Quarteto 1111 as a whole more than Symphonic, even if the 1975 album (which is mostly Symphonic with a bit of rock and hard rock) sounds like the most important of all.

In conclusion, being that symphonic + prog rock + easy psych + pop can result in Eclectic, I'm fine with the addition. I can even add a reason of "classic prog" for them, because Eclectic, in particularly, can accept classic prog rock bands that aren't Symphonic, Canterbury-esque, etc.
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excellent

should probably then put Quarteto 1111 on 'hold'  until the teams in question here get ahold of the album.  Personally the info like the GEPR blurb I posted  plus your all's thoughts would have been enough for me but we all have different standards. 

Just be patient guys.. they'll be added...  unfortunately trying to nail down a spot can be tricky.
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

I'm pleased to inform that the new label "Do Tempo Do Vinil" (linked with EMI-Valentim de Carvalho) has announced the CD release of "Onde Quando Como Porquê Cantamos Pessoas Vivas" for the 25th of this month. They have already released a reedition of Tantra's "Mistérios e Maravilhas", and have several other portuguese prog albums scheduled for release (Petrus Castrus' Ascensão e Queda should come out also on the 25th February; more albums from Tantra and Banda do Casaco should be released on a third phase, not yet scheduled). 
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I'm pleased to inform that the new label "Do Tempo Do Vinil" (linked with EMI-Valentim de Carvalho) has announced the CD release of "Onde Quando Como Porquê Cantamos Pessoas Vivas" for the 25th of this month. They have already released a reedition of Tantra's "Mistérios e Maravilhas", and have several other portuguese prog albums scheduled for release (Petrus Castrus' Ascensão e Queda should come out also on the 25th February; more albums from Tantra and Banda do Casaco should be released on a thrid phase, not yet scheduled). 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

 
and in lieu of a whole album.. since I'm sure everyone would hate to see a deserving band not added simply because material is hard to locate... that is when you trust the other forum members.. and also research.
"Onde, Quando,..." is only available in the original LP edition, and this is surely their most progressive record, and althought it is very rare and difficult to find legally, (only if you buy the vinyl!!) and surely this way, it is impossible to get it out of Portugal, this is the main argument for the band addition, as the true grandfathers of portuguese Symphonic Rock.
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Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Okay, have listened to both albums I've mentioned above.Shall we try Symphonic Prog? (the singles/EPs, I think, don't have anything to do with prog music, they're early beat, pop, rock music - but their full studio albums sound like real progressive treats; from what I've heard in the beautiful, peaceful, orchestral and progressive Cantamos Pessoas Vivas, Symphonic sounds like a natural style)I haven't managed to listen to anything else, so I can't tell anything about the "psychedelic" music that was mentioned.


They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds?




I don't know.
What did the Team hear, as samples?

 
The 5 songs I sent for evaluation were their first single, "A Lenda d'El Rei D. Sebastião", this one more for its historical importance than prog credentials; their Britain-released single, "Ode to the Beatles", an interesting piece in the vein of Barclay James Harvest's "Titles"; two songs from their first LP, "A Fuga dos Grilos" and "Pigmentação", which in my view are psychedelic pop (as is the entire album); finally, side one of their final album "Onde Quando Como Porquê Cantamos Pessoas Vivas", which is an interesting symphonic rock song, similar to a later José Cid single, "Vida  - Sons do Quotidiano" (included as a bonus track on his "10000 Anos Depois..." album).
 
I did not have then their album "Bruma Azul do Desejado", which I have in the meantime heard - it is very much un-prog, a collection of religious hymns sung by a friar and choirs, with the band providing the music (a blend of pop a la Manfredd Mann).


Well those singles, indeed, don't give confidence on their symphonic side.
In fact, they don't give confidence for Prog itself, as I've mentioned. They mark a period of pop, beat, easy 60s psych.

Side One (and Side Two) of CPV is, instead, mostly Symphonic.

I can say, at this point, that I'll definitely need to hear their psychedelic/different direction in music (perhaps the previous albums to CPV, from 1970-1972?) to consider it an "Eclectic' band.
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Okay, have listened to both albums I've mentioned above.Shall we try Symphonic Prog? (the singles/EPs, I think, don't have anything to do with prog music, they're early beat, pop, rock music - but their full studio albums sound like real progressive treats; from what I've heard in the beautiful, peaceful, orchestral and progressive Cantamos Pessoas Vivas, Symphonic sounds like a natural style)I haven't managed to listen to anything else, so I can't tell anything about the "psychedelic" music that was mentioned.


They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds?




I don't know.
What did the Team hear, as samples?

 
The 5 songs I sent for evaluation were their first single, "A Lenda d'El Rei D. Sebastião", this one more for its historical importance than prog credentials; their Britain-released single, "Ode to the Beatles", an interesting piece in the vein of Barclay James Harvest's "Titles"; two songs from their first self-titled LP, "A Fuga dos Grilos" and "Pigmentação", which in my view are psychedelic pop (as is the entire album - not much rock in there, rather a great influence by the abovementioned Os Mutantes); finally, side one of their final album "Onde Quando Como Porquê Cantamos Pessoas Vivas", which is an interesting symphonic rock song, similar to a later José Cid single, "Vida  - Sons do Quotidiano" (included as a bonus track on his "10000 Anos Depois..." album).
 
I did not have then their album "Bruma Azul do Desejado", which I have in the meantime heard - it is very much un-prog, a collection of religious hymns sung by a friar and choirs, with the band providing the music (a blend of beat and pop a la Manfredd Mann).
 
I agree that it is hard to find a spot for them, with three full albums all quite different from each other. But surely one cannot ignore them for lack of a perfect fit in a genre... (this raises once more the problem of labeling bands, instead of albums, but thats a different discussion Wink)


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That's a thing that intrigued me. Quarteto 1111 was "the first symphonic rock band in Portugal", still the Symphonic Team rejected it.

Think Philip's comments are fair.
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Originally posted by Philip Philip wrote:

 
I think you should listen to the whole album, particularly "Onde, Quando,...", because it's just one song and I consider this one as Symphonic, as i don't think it has what's said as being ecletic:
"The term 'eclectic' in the context of progressive rock describes a summation of elements from various musical sources, and the influences and career paths of bands that take from a wide range of genres or styles".
It must not be forgotten the concept in this album: a musical celebration of the freedom that the country had gained (25th April 1974). 
Excluding the considerations about what subgenre, I think we agree this band must be listed in PA because Quarteto 1111 is part of the concept that people and critics have of what portuguese prog rock was.


 
 


and in lieu of a whole album.. since I'm sure everyone would hate to see a deserving band not added simply because material is hard to locate... that is when you trust the other forum members.. and also research.

First hit on a google seach....  shame this band has been kicked around and forgotten for what...months and months.

Quarteto 1111 [Portugal]
Updated 6/22/07
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Quarteto 1111 (70)
Bruma Azul do Desejado (73)
Onde, Quando, Como, Porquê, Cantamos Pessoas Vivas (74)
Cantamos Pessoas Vivas (99)

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Quarteto 1111 was the first symphonic rock band in Portugal. Since 1968-69 they got media attention through a hit single, "El Rei D. Sebastião", actually with lyrics about the theme of the lost Portuguese king, who supposedly died in the fields of Morocco during the battle of Alcacer-Kibir. Once the king lost, also the Portuguese kingdom lost his independence to Spain. All the myths related with the return of King Sebastião - a quite anchored portuguese myth - were fairly treated in this rather poetic song. The harpsichord made its first appearance in rock portuguese music. As far as I can remember, a single with the English version of the song was published in Great Britain. The band leader was José Cid, composer and keyboard player as well as lead singer. The rest of the band had a classic formation influenced by the usual Beatles line-up, but with a sound and song structure that reminds the early Moody Blues.

The following album continued in the same vein, combining melodic songs with newly progressive instruments, namely the Mellotron. Later on the band evolved to a rather common -- and unintersting -- late 70's pop sound. In 1978 José Cid did publish a "progressive" record, entitled 10.000 anos depois entre Vénus e Marte. -- Paulo Pereira


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My opinion is that they could only be placed as Symphonic or Ecletic, because the majority of their music is not psychadelic, in terms of activity years they're not Proto-prog, and I don't think they can be classified as Crossover prog.
 
They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds?
 
I think you should listen to the whole album, particularly "Onde, Quando,...", because it's just one song and I consider this one as Symphonic, as i don't think their discography has what's said as being ecletic:
"The term 'eclectic' in the context of progressive rock describes a summation of elements from various musical sources, and the influences and career paths of bands that take from a wide range of genres or styles".
It must not be forgotten the concept in this album: a musical celebration of the freedom that the country had gained (25th April 1974). 
Excluding the considerations about what subgenre, I think we agree this band must be listed in PA because Quarteto 1111 is part of the concept that people and critics have of what portuguese prog rock was.


 
 


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Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Okay, have listened to both albums I've mentioned above.Shall we try Symphonic Prog? (the singles/EPs, I think, don't have anything to do with prog music, they're early beat, pop, rock music - but their full studio albums sound like real progressive treats; from what I've heard in the beautiful, peaceful, orchestral and progressive Cantamos Pessoas Vivas, Symphonic sounds like a natural style)I haven't managed to listen to anything else, so I can't tell anything about the "psychedelic" music that was mentioned.


They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds?




I don't know.
What did the Team hear, as samples?
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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Okay, have listened to both albums I've mentioned above.Shall we try Symphonic Prog? (the singles/EPs, I think, don't have anything to do with prog music, they're early beat, pop, rock music - but their full studio albums sound like real progressive treats; from what I've heard in the beautiful, peaceful, orchestral and progressive Cantamos Pessoas Vivas, Symphonic sounds like a natural style)I haven't managed to listen to anything else, so I can't tell anything about the "psychedelic" music that was mentioned.


They were originally submitted to Symphonic, but the samples we had led us to reject them. Would hearing an entire album change our minds?


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