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-Radioswim- 
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 Posted: March 02 2008 at 03:46 |
I don't know why people pass of such generic associations of different emotions and melodies as plagierism, you cant name a single band, that doesnt atleast borrow certain moods from another, its almost impossible not to, theres only so many notes, and so many instruments to work with, frankly im amazed bands sound so different with the thousands of songs, and albums written. 4000 bands, theres bound to be a few that sounds similar. But please people, its not plagierism
I've taken a look at a few of the examples mentioned, IE the association of DT's "Solitary shell" keyboards, and Yes's "And you and I" keyboard, CLOSE, but you have to put it into context, they don't even make you feel the same way, and even if you did look at it note by note on a peice of paper, theyre not even close... the instruments themselves might convey a similar emotion, but in context, they're miles apart.
Ya know, there is such a thing as over Analyzing.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 02 2008 at 03:09 |
 Cristi wrote:
ProgressiveOpinion wrote:
I'm just as big a fan of early DT as anyone, but I can think of about 100 other prog bands that deserve to be discussed in place of the endless streams of DT threads. |
I actually agree, but there have always been endless streams of DT threads as DT is a very popular band - I would like to see more threads with other prog-metal bands - Shadow Gallery, Circus Maximus, Angra, Sieges Even, Tad Morose, Enchant, Evergrey, POS, Tiles to name a few. But DT and apparently
Symphony X have always been among favourites here. |
People simply gravitate towards the most popular bands ... regardless of genre. Space Rock? Hawkwind. Symphonic Prog? Yes, Genesis. Prog Metal? DT, SyX. Post Rock? GYBE!, Sigur Ros. One of the most important lessons that I have learned since I've been visiting sites like this is that in every genre there are second (or even third) tier bands which made albums that easily match or even outclass those of the "iconic" bands.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: March 02 2008 at 02:48 |
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we all feed
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The T
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 21:21 |
Cristi wrote:
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FANTASTIC.... ALL OF YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT NEGATIVE THREADS AND HERE YOU ALL ARE IN THIS MAGNIFICENT "LET'S BASH DT FOR FREE!" THREAD.....
So much for worries about "positivity"... only when it's about symphonic rock.... |
I'm not bashing DT, I just agree to the fact that there have always been an excessive amount of DT topic and polls, that's all. |
And I'm not talking about you, as what you say is actually right...
I'm talking about how people complaint about negativity but love negative threads...
As long as it's metal, who cares....
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Cristi
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 21:17 |
The T wrote:
FANTASTIC.... ALL OF YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT NEGATIVE THREADS AND HERE YOU ALL ARE IN THIS MAGNIFICENT "LET'S BASH DT FOR FREE!" THREAD.....
So much for worries about "positivity"... only when it's about symphonic rock.... |
I'm not bashing DT, I just agree to the fact that there have always been an excessive amount of DT topic and polls, that's all.
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 20:55 |
FANTASTIC.... ALL OF YOU ARE WHINING ABOUT NEGATIVE THREADS AND HERE YOU ALL ARE IN THIS MAGNIFICENT "LET'S BASH DT FOR FREE!" THREAD.....
So much for worries about "positivity"... only when it's about symphonic rock....
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Cristi
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 20:08 |
ProgressiveOpinion wrote:
I'm just as big a fan of early DT as anyone, but I can think of about 100 other prog bands that deserve to be discussed in place of the endless streams of DT threads. |
I actually agree, but there have always been endless streams of DT threads as DT is a very popular band - I would like to see more threads with other prog-metal bands - Shadow Gallery, Circus Maximus, Angra, Sieges Even, Tad Morose, Enchant, Evergrey, POS, Tiles to name a few. But DT and apparently
Symphony X have always been among favourites here.
Edited by Cristi - March 01 2008 at 21:37
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 20:00 |
ProgressiveOpinion wrote:
I'm just as big a fan of early DT as anyone, but I can think of about 100 other prog bands that deserve to be discussed in place of the endless streams of DT threads. |
Amen to that. 
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ProgressiveOpinion
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 19:53 |
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I'm just as big a fan of early DT as anyone, but I can think of about 100 other prog bands that deserve to be discussed in place of the endless streams of DT threads.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 19:36 |
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must be that time of year again
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ProgressiveOpinion
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 19:35 |
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How many threads are there about DT on this forum in an average week? :|
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Cristi
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 19:21 |
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Petrucci's solo on Trial of tears (on Falling into Infinity - 1997) sounds a lot like Holdsworth's solo on In the dead of night (song on UK's 1978 s/t album).
Edited by Cristi - March 01 2008 at 19:22
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burritounit
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 18:19 |
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If you think DT is a rip off of other bands wait till you hear Abigail's Ghost(complete rip off and I do mean completely of Porcupine Tree, Blackfield and other Steven Wilson's projects).
On the other hand I do agree that DT has a obvious influence of all these other bands(called by the term ripping in this thread). They should have done a less obvious influence or rip off.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 18:05 |
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I do notice these (painfully in fact since Train of Thought) but I don't think I've heard a note for note ripoff yet
and I NEVER got a Muse vibe from Panic Attack
though oddly enough the song "Assassin" from Muse's latest reminds me of Panic Attack (at least the intro)
perhaps a musical exchange occurred
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JLocke
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:43 |
Drew wrote:
Zitro wrote:
You left out a significant one:
_The bass riff (and the guitar riff) in "Home" seem to come from the bass riff in Tool's "forty-six & two", even its variation is like Tool's. The moment when it's identical is at 5:15.
A few others I noticed:
_The bass riff in "This Dying Soul" and "Repetance" are also somewhat similar to "46 & 2" but not as much.
_"The great Debate" sounds way too much like Tool.
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I've always thought that as well
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That would make sense too, since DT were listening to the "Aenima" album during the recording/writing of SfaM.
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ilias81
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:37 |
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On Dance of Eternity, can you spot the beginning of Mission Impossible Theme? I believe this was meant to be fun and these guys have shown that they have fun playing music...
And something off topic: On Maiden's Seventh Son (the song) after the slow middle part doesn't it sound like child in time?
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stonebeard
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:28 |
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"Pull Me Under" is 1812 Overture note for note. If you don't hear it, you're not listening hard enough.
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King Crimson776
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:17 |
"Good musicians borrow, great musicians steal." - Stravinsky 
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Drew
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:16 |
Zitro wrote:
You left out a significant one:
_The bass riff (and the guitar riff) in "Home" seem to come from the bass riff in Tool's "forty-six & two", even its variation is like Tool's. The moment when it's identical is at 5:15.
A few others I noticed:
_The bass riff in "This Dying Soul" and "Repetance" are also somewhat similar to "46 & 2" but not as much.
_"The great Debate" sounds way too much like Tool.
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I've always thought that as well
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: March 01 2008 at 17:13 |
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"The Glass Prison" has a few riffs that sound like Slipknot. They even ripped-off their tuning (drop B)!
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