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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 02 2008 at 22:37
Woo-hoo!  I just got the Angel Witch remaster (25th anniversary) and it sounds great.. gone is the distracting muddy bass sound, and the Witch's true power can be heard.  The liner notes make clear how hugely influential they were on the Bay Area metal/progmetal scene, though the band simply couldn't compete against the popularity of Maiden, Def Leppard, Motorhead and others

Guitarist/composer Kevin Heybourne reflects;  "I still have bloody excellent memories of those times, there was so much energy-- everyone was buzzing."

form the notes; 'The band smashed attendance records at the old Marquee Club in Wardour Street, where only AC/DC ever attracted more punters.' 

"Angel Witch had been name checked by several San Francisco thrash metal bands.  The Bay Area bands definitely took ideas from ourselves, Witchfynde and Diamondhead, but they had chances that were denied to us.  Metallica had seen other bands get screwed and insisted on a hands-off attitude.  It's a luxury I wish we'd had,"  recalls Heybourne.

And so this hugely influential group maintains its legend with this handsome and beautifully remastered debut, and it's time they were given their due not only as a great band, but as true trailblazers of heavy metal of a progressive nature.  May their memory live on.







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 09 2008 at 17:41
I would say Rush, and in my opinion, Uriah Heep.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 03:48
Originally posted by Philip Philip wrote:

I would say Rush, and in my opinion, Uriah Heep.
 
Read the rest of the thread please. I've had to tell several people this so far, because the Rush argument has become virtually irrelevant and redundant in this thread. I'm not having a go at you, I'm just saying this because we have been around this circle too many times, and it will keep the thread cleaner if we don't go around it again.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 03:52
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Woo-hoo!  I just got the Angel Witch remaster (25th anniversary) and it sounds great.. gone is the distracting muddy bass sound, and the Witch's true power can be heard.  The liner notes make clear how hugely influential they were on the Bay Area metal/progmetal scene, though the band simply couldn't compete against the popularity of Maiden, Def Leppard, Motorhead and others

Guitarist/composer Kevin Heybourne reflects;  "I still have bloody excellent memories of those times, there was so much energy-- everyone was buzzing."

form the notes; 'The band smashed attendance records at the old Marquee Club in Wardour Street, where only AC/DC ever attracted more punters.' 

"Angel Witch had been name checked by several San Francisco thrash metal bands.  The Bay Area bands definitely took ideas from ourselves, Witchfynde and Diamondhead, but they had chances that were denied to us.  Metallica had seen other bands get screwed and insisted on a hands-off attitude.  It's a luxury I wish we'd had,"  recalls Heybourne.

And so this hugely influential group maintains its legend with this handsome and beautifully remastered debut, and it's time they were given their due not only as a great band, but as true trailblazers of heavy metal of a progressive nature.  May their memory live on.


 
Btw, I finally got around to listening to Angel Witch, and I don't mind it at allThumbs%20Up
And i can see your point about them being influential as well, they really do have a sorta proto thrash sound and some of their songs truly point to proggyness at timesSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 04:55
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 08:00
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by Philip Philip wrote:

I would say Rush, and in my opinion, Uriah Heep.
 
Read the rest of the thread please. I've had to tell several people this so far, because the Rush argument has become virtually irrelevant and redundant in this thread. I'm not having a go at you, I'm just saying this because we have been around this circle too many times, and it will keep the thread cleaner if we don't go around it again.
 
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I agree. Rush is a given. We can point out some other bands. Uriah Heep certainly has a heavy sound that lends itself to metal, in the LedZep vein.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 10 2008 at 21:28
I think I'm onto something...
 
From The ScripTures:
 
"And so on the seventh day God decided to rest and behold what He hath created. But as the day went by, it was getting boring to stare at the same useless ball of water and earth...Then He decided to create rains, and with rains He created thunder.. and with thunder came lightning... and a huge wall of noise rose from the oceans as thunder and the waves collided in unison...and the God knew... this creation of His needed a soundtrack... and thunder and water gave Him the idea of creating rock... but Satan, deep from the fires of Hell, had already created His own soundtrack to oppose the Allmighty's new discovery.. And then God hath the final idea: "Let's combine Lucifer's sounds with my own.. after all, I created Him, so I'm not violating any intellectual property rights"...And a new genre was created, a mixture of both heaven and hell best elements..."
 
There you go.. God created progressive metal.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 11 2008 at 09:46
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I think I'm onto something...
 
From The ScripTures:
 
"And so on the seventh day God decided to rest and behold what He hath created. But as the day went by, it was getting boring to stare at the same useless ball of water and earth...Then He decided to create rains, and with rains He created thunder.. and with thunder came lightning... and a huge wall of noise rose from the oceans as thunder and the waves collided in unison...and the God knew... this creation of His needed a soundtrack... and thunder and water gave Him the idea of creating rock... but Satan, deep from the fires of Hell, had already created His own soundtrack to oppose the Allmighty's new discovery.. And then God hath the final idea: "Let's combine Lucifer's sounds with my own.. after all, I created Him, so I'm not violating any intellectual property rights"...And a new genre was created, a mixture of both heaven and hell best elements..."
 
There you go.. God created progressive metal.
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2008 at 13:17
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I think I'm onto something...
 
From The ScripTures:
 
"And so on the seventh day God decided to rest and behold what He hath created. But as the day went by, it was getting boring to stare at the same useless ball of water and earth...Then He decided to create rains, and with rains He created thunder.. and with thunder came lightning... and a huge wall of noise rose from the oceans as thunder and the waves collided in unison...and the God knew... this creation of His needed a soundtrack... and thunder and water gave Him the idea of creating rock... but Satan, deep from the fires of Hell, had already created His own soundtrack to oppose the Allmighty's new discovery.. And then God hath the final idea: "Let's combine Lucifer's sounds with my own.. after all, I created Him, so I'm not violating any intellectual property rights"...And a new genre was created, a mixture of both heaven and hell best elements..."
 
There you go.. God created progressive metal.
 
 
 
Now i didn't know that! Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 14 2008 at 14:00
Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I think I'm onto something...
 
From The ScripTures:
 
"And so on the seventh day God decided to rest and behold what He hath created. But as the day went by, it was getting boring to stare at the same useless ball of water and earth...Then He decided to create rains, and with rains He created thunder.. and with thunder came lightning... and a huge wall of noise rose from the oceans as thunder and the waves collided in unison...and the God knew... this creation of His needed a soundtrack... and thunder and water gave Him the idea of creating rock... but Satan, deep from the fires of Hell, had already created His own soundtrack to oppose the Allmighty's new discovery.. And then God hath the final idea: "Let's combine Lucifer's sounds with my own.. after all, I created Him, so I'm not violating any intellectual property rights"...And a new genre was created, a mixture of both heaven and hell best elements..."
 
There you go.. God created progressive metal.
 
 
 
Now i didn't know that! Wink


Well, God even created Satan. Why couldn't the Almighty create metal after all?

I seriously don't get why people still connect these stuff with The Horny One, since this kind of "satanism" is only the antithesis of medieval christianity, which said that happiness is the thing of the Devil.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 01:01
Scorpions................Lonesome Crow, Fly To The Rainbow, In Trance, Tokyo Tapes

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 09:57
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I think I'm onto something...
 
From The ScripTures:
 
"And so on the seventh day God decided to rest and behold what He hath created. But as the day went by, it was getting boring to stare at the same useless ball of water and earth...Then He decided to create rains, and with rains He created thunder.. and with thunder came lightning... and a huge wall of noise rose from the oceans as thunder and the waves collided in unison...and the God knew... this creation of His needed a soundtrack... and thunder and water gave Him the idea of creating rock... but Satan, deep from the fires of Hell, had already created His own soundtrack to oppose the Allmighty's new discovery.. And then God hath the final idea: "Let's combine Lucifer's sounds with my own.. after all, I created Him, so I'm not violating any intellectual property rights"...And a new genre was created, a mixture of both heaven and hell best elements..."
 
There you go.. God created progressive metal.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 20:40
Prog metal...does it really exist, or is it clutching at straws to allow heavy metal into a prog site that would've run dry a long time ago?
 
My own thoughts are that prog metal does not exist, but allows certain bands to be allowed access into a certain genre that they should never be afforded. Also. call me cynical,  it allows certain bands from a weak prog rock country to enter this genre, and keep this site going. From my observation, only european prog has allowed other countriesto try this genre, but never ever match the formulae.
 
NWOBHM seemed to strike a chord with other bands but definitely not prog, so sit down abd realistically think, is this band prog, or do i feel my country never gave enough?
 
Prog............too many bands most without the right to be here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2008 at 21:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2008 at 01:25
Rush, Queensryche, Fates Warning = Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Symphony X, Pain of Salvation = Modern Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Dream Theater = Very good copycats
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2008 at 19:45
Originally posted by rhinn rhinn wrote:

Prog metal...does it really exist, or is it clutching at straws to allow heavy metal into a prog site that would've run dry a long time ago?
 
My own thoughts are that prog metal does not exist, but allows certain bands to be allowed access into a certain genre that they should never be afforded. Also. call me cynical,  it allows certain bands from a weak prog rock country to enter this genre, and keep this site going. From my observation, only european prog has allowed other countriesto try this genre, but never ever match the formulae.
 
NWOBHM seemed to strike a chord with other bands but definitely not prog, so sit down abd realistically think, is this band prog, or do i feel my country never gave enough?
 
Prog............too many bands most without the right to be here.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 19 2008 at 21:32
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Rush, Queensryche, Fates Warning = Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Symphony X, Pain of Salvation = Modern Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Dream Theater = Very good copycats
 
 
 
 
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Please say you are kidding. Its the same thing as saying that King Crimson is a copycat of jazz (at least on the 1st and the 2nd albums)

I mean, i really like Pain of Salvation and Symphony X, but justice is not being made to Dream Theater.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2008 at 00:44
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Rush, Queensryche, Fates Warning = Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Symphony X, Pain of Salvation = Modern Prog Metal Pioneers
 
Dream Theater = Very good copycats
 
 
 
 
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Please say you are kidding. Its the same thing as saying that King Crimson is a copycat of jazz (at least on the 1st and the 2nd albums)

I mean, i really like Pain of Salvation and Symphony X, but justice is not being made to Dream Theater.
 
I'm really not kidding. I listened to two new prog rock records today (A Kansas album and a Gabriel album), and already I could hear something from each that Dream Theater re-used on their Six Degrees album.
 
I'm not saying I don't like them, but they really aren't as prolific as folks seem to think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 20 2008 at 00:51
DT's second  album, at least as far as I can tell, the watershed for prog metal. Queensryche and Fates Warning were beating around the bush with 80s power prog, but Images and Words (and even their first album, I guess) first signified true prog metal to me. But I'm not an expert on the genre, I suppose.
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