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Points: 106 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:35
I actually agree - Pink Floyd never was prog. Psychedelic, but not prog.

Having said that, I think Pink Floyd's influence in prog is noteworthy, but no more noteworthy than any of the other influences (classical, jazz, opera).

Don't take this the wrong way - I do like Pink Floyd, but they continue to get way too much credit in the prog community.
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2008 at 11:19
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

There's even a comment from ex-forum regular Teaflax, who manages to write several paragraphs without slammimg The Flower Kings
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Oct 09 08, 5:12am

Did someone say lazy? Yeah, I thought so.

Judging Prog using Rock criteria is like judging Jazz using Reggae criteria; it's beyond useless. In fact, it's plain moronic. This is the conformist prejudiced twaddle from a very small mind.


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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 22:00

If you all remember the old George Carlin screed about 'special dispensation'  (sorry, I am not nor was ever a Catholic, except at birth), I'm thinking that has somehow been applied to PF wrt prog.
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Points: 3596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 21:22
I wonder how much attention and web hits we generate for these "negative" op-eds ???
Oh, and by the way, which one(s)s prog ?
Now, my chance to go and read this man's twaddle ...LOL

I wonder if anyone noted this phrase "the lazy and much-maligned term "progressive rock" " ?


Edited by debrewguy - October 27 2008 at 21:25
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Points: 14 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2008 at 21:13

Of course Pink Floyd are not prog, they are better!!!! Tongue
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Points: 213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2008 at 20:14
Why don't some o' ye be asking some randomer friends of yours - that don't really know Prog like - whether or not Pink Floyd be Prog.

Oi know what they'll all say - what the blooomin' hec be Prog like?
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Points: 3928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:36
I noted Teaflax's comments. I couldn't stand his presence on the forum, but he made some excellent points in his comments there which highlighted the endless amount of hypocrisies surrounding critical attitudes towards prog.
 
I'm glad the writer got a sound thrashing in the comments, it was a staggeringly lazy article- typical of the bullsh*t that gets passed off as music criticism/journalism in this country.
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Points: 234 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 12:44

What does this ignorant writer know about art?
"Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST."
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There's even a comment from ex-forum regular Teaflax, who manages to write several paragraphs without slammimg The Flower Kings
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Teaflaxs profile picture Teaflax

Oct 09 08, 5:12am

Did someone say lazy? Yeah, I thought so.

Judging Prog using Rock criteria is like judging Jazz using Reggae criteria; it's beyond useless. In fact, it's plain moronic. This is the conformist prejudiced twaddle from a very small mind.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:42
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?


I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact.
 
Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.
 


But was it really used for Pink Floyd? Their music is really very different from Yes or Genesis, and "wide" usage includes both music experts and laymen ...

Yes Mike, it was.
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Points: 20596 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:16
Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?


I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact.
 
Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.
 


But was it really used for Pink Floyd? Their music is really very different from Yes or Genesis, and "wide" usage includes both music experts and laymen ...
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Points: 2720 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 04:43
Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:

Originally posted by Tinyfish Tinyfish wrote:

...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.

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Ohharr - love it!  A Wurzels fan!!!
 
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Points: 2614 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 23 2008 at 01:03
So Dance of the Volcano is bad because it misuses the 7th beat of the phrase? And we should listen to Ligetti and Bartok because they give better examples of electronic experimentation and rhythmic complexity?  Does this guy eat ass salad for breakfast?
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Points: 213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:38
weeellllll - I have this friend - and I said to him once (I think I've said all this before) that Pink Floyd were Prog.  He was flabbergasted - Pink Floyd aren't Prog!!!

I said what do you mean?  I guess Prog is like Genesis and Yes and stuff like that, eh?

He answered yes to that.

Well. maybe there are many outside of our website that think the same - Prog is all that symphonic complicated music (like Yes, Genesis)

I suppose, yes, Pink Floyd (and all Space rock/psychelia) doesn't fall into that category at all. 

In many ways, Space rock is almost out of the classical what most think Prog.  It stands on its own.  Personally, in my mind, it's the best side of Prog (if yon now want to call it that) - it just flows so much better.........
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Points: 213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:32
...although not sure what it has to do with Pink Floyd and Prog....!!!

How about bluegrass Prog?
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Points: 213 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:31
Originally posted by Tinyfish Tinyfish wrote:

...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.

Breathe...breathe in the.....CIDER!!!




Ohharr - love it!  A Wurzels fan!!!
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 20:32
Originally posted by XunknownX XunknownX wrote:

Well, most people don't get things in general, so I'm not surprised this clown is any different...Dead
Plus most folks' only goal is to be accepted by the masses, therfore they get "progphobia", to fit in - nothing's new under the sun...Dead
Most people are much more accepting of interesting and progressive music than many people here would have you believe--dare I utter the p word?
Originally posted by eightiesbaby80 eightiesbaby80 wrote:

Pink Floyd is prog! How is he not?
Ahahahahaha


Edited by Henry Plainview - October 14 2008 at 20:33
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Points: 158 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 18:50
Well, most people don't get things in general, so I'm not surprised this clown is any different...Dead
Plus most folks' only goal is to be accepted by the masses, therfore they get "progphobia", to fit in - nothing's new under the sun...Dead


Edited by XunknownX - October 14 2008 at 18:53
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Pink Floyd is prog! How is he not?
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Points: 13414 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:45

Rubbish discussion. I've just finished listening to Meddle. If Floyds are not prog, we should remove from the site artists like Mostly Autumn, Tangerine Dream, Camel, Marillion, Caravan, Soft Machine, Eloy, Vangelis (very different people) that have been more or less influenced by the Floyds during different periods.
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