'Pink Floyd not prog'??? |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 14 2008 at 02:47 | |||||
That's some deep commentary, man. Edited by Henry Plainview - October 14 2008 at 02:49 |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Proggg
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Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:27 | |||||
This article is fail. |
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It fell to the ground and it's wings broke and died But when the time got by, back to sky it flied cause the wings healed in time and the bird was I-Wintersun |
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 13 2008 at 00:46 | |||||
That's still after the peak of many of the founding giants. So just slightly after-the-fact, then...
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Walker
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Posted: October 12 2008 at 23:40 | |||||
Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.
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Avantgardehead
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Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:40 | |||||
I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact. |
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Inferno
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Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:34 | |||||
I like the reference in the comments when someone says that his way of seeing thing is that way:
He hates prog, like pink floyd, pink floyd is prog Punk killed prog, Genesis survived punk, Genesis is not prog! I could easily bring that argument agains't Progarchives like that: A member likes Iron Maiden, he likes prog thou..., Iron maiden is prog or Prog related when in fact it's only metal! This goes both way, it's not because a prog fan likes something else then prog that he NECESSIRALY NEED to make sure that what's he like his prog related in someway!!! Completly ridiculous!! |
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trackstoni
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Posted: October 11 2008 at 04:53 | |||||
Hey , a new band on the run , who the Hell are they , Pink Floyd , maybe those Alliens from the dark side of the moon . So , please take it easy on us while throwing your opinions /// please ///
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The T
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 21:58 | |||||
As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:41 | |||||
to the rest of the world I have little doubt Floyd are not considered Prog when compared to the Tulls, Yes's and ELP's.. Floyd saw huge popularity not just with the DSotM period but also with the Wall which was one of the musical events in the early 80s capped off by the film (an enormous draw for the midnight crowds all through the first half of the 80s), people liked these records not because they were Prog but because they were, well, Pink Floyd, a total original and a band that knew how to produce their music and sell their drama.. I don't know of any prog band that saw their level of hugeness, even at ELP's or Yes's peak.. sure Floyd were a progressive rock band but they flourished because they were liberated from "Prog", not a part of it
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:38 | |||||
You know, I'm still p!ssed off that the worzels haven't made it into the the archives. Prog Related at least! I mean look at those clothes. |
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mizzin
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:23 | |||||
not prog, but kind of founders of todays' prog, (now, that's easy :D )
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Tinyfish
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 11:51 | |||||
...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.
Breathe...breathe in the.....CIDER!!! Edited by Tinyfish - October 10 2008 at 11:53 |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: October 10 2008 at 11:33 | |||||
mmm, how about Opeth doing Floyd. Cirrus Minor, I think.. |
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sigod
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 10:55 | |||||
Hey Andy.
Now if Pink Floyd covered an Opeth song, THAT would be worth writing about. |
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:42 | |||||
Hiya Simon
Best not open the old 'Opeth isn't C'n'W' can of worms.. |
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sigod
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:33 | |||||
Bloody journalists.
They'll be saying that Opeth is not Country and Western next. |
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I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
- Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
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chopper
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 08:42 | |||||
True Andy. DOAV is the most prog song on that album, but still retains a commercial feel. I doubt that many of his A level students could even identify it as being in 7/4.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 08:02 | |||||
Indeed. Utter bogsh!te if I ever heard it. Perhaps if he had played them 'Larks Tounges in Aspic' or something, I could believe this, but there isn't really anything innaccessable about 'DOAV' Despite the irregular time signature, its still very 'easy on the ear' Genesis composed the song that way to catch the attention of a wider audience, whilst retaining their 'prog credentials' They were masters at doing that. |
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 07:54 | |||||
The time signature is indeed 7/4. 'Tempo' just refers to the pace at which the music is played. 'Down & Out' by Genesis is a good example of 5/4 time. |
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AlanD
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Posted: October 10 2008 at 07:53 | |||||
The point I took objection to in this twit's article was his glib attempt to deride Genesis' Dance on a Volcano by employing some abstruse and heavily flawed musicological reasoning that such a composition should be somehow fashioned to an imaginary mental model of his own devising. Why? He'll certainly find several thousand musicoligists who disagree with him. It may have made him feel 'queasy' but on the occasions I choose listen to Dance on a Volcano, it has the effect of leaving me feeling energised and uplifted.
One of the main tenets of progressive rock in the early seventies was a kicking over of the traces and bending of so-called 'rules'. Even if the track had been recorded dropping half a beat from every bar and employed quarter tones, it would still be a valid piece of composition. In the end, music is a subjective art and we all have our own tastes and biases. As for listening to Bartok and Ligeti, sure, why not? I frequently do - I also listen to Genesis and Yes and, dependent on mood, enjoy and appreciate them all equally. Why should they be mutually exclusive?
Never mind, the same sort of inane comments have been springing from the pens (and now computers)of imbiciles with delusions of grandeur for many a year, so why stop now? I certainly feel sorry for his 'students', let's hope some of them have minds and ears of their own and don't turn out like that sad twerp. Genesis music will definitely outlive him, that's for certain.
Oh, and of course, Pink Floyd are one of the original 'bricks in the wall' of the genre dubbed 'Progressive Rock ' - that's a historical fact. What a plonker!
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