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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 14 2008 at 02:47
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by The Whistler The Whistler wrote:

And they sure as sh*t didn't come up that last part of "Saucerful of Secrets" themselves...

Then what is it from?

Bach?   Nah, can't be, that would make it symphonic prog Wink

It was a serious question.
Sorry, that was serious answer in a humorous format Embarrassed - if not Bach, then inspired by some other Baroque composer, in much the same way as Procol Harum's White Shade of Pale was inspired by Bach's Air On A G-String. Due to Wright's keyboard arrangements (and, I would argue, Mason's anti-rock drumming, which at times borders on concert percussion), many of Floyd's pieces have symphonic elements, in an eclectic sense rather than a Symphonic Prog sense.
Oh, I thought it was a specific piece and you were holding out on me. Saying that some music is inspired by Bach is hardly a controversial position. ;-)
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This article is fail. Dead
That's some deep commentary, man.


Edited by Henry Plainview - October 14 2008 at 02:49
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:27
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Some stupid hack on the Guardian website has deemed it necessary to attack our beloved prog all over again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/oct/08/pink.floyd.not.prog.rock

He obviously doesn't have a clue what wonderful music falls under the prog umbrella! As usual, the best thing about this silly article are the reactions from those who come to prog's defense - including yours truly.

Rock on.

ADMIN EDIT: made reference into a real link.


This article is fail. Dead
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 13 2008 at 00:46
That's still after the peak of many of the founding giants. So just slightly after-the-fact, then... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2008 at 23:40
Originally posted by Avantgardehead Avantgardehead wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?


I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact.
 
Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:40
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?


I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:34
I like the reference in the comments when someone says that his way of seeing thing is that way:

He hates prog, like pink floyd, pink floyd is prog
Punk killed prog, Genesis survived punk, Genesis is not prog!


I could easily bring that argument agains't Progarchives like that:

A member likes Iron Maiden, he likes prog thou..., Iron maiden is prog or Prog related when in fact it's only metal!

This goes both way, it's not because a prog fan likes something else then prog that he NECESSIRALY NEED to make sure that what's he like his prog related in someway!!!

Completly ridiculous!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 11 2008 at 04:53
  Hey , a new band on the run , who the Hell are they , Pink Floyd  , maybe those Alliens from the dark side of the moon  .   So , please take it easy on us while throwing your opinions /// please /// 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 21:58
As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:41
to the rest of the world I have little doubt Floyd are not considered Prog when compared to the Tulls, Yes's and ELP's.. Floyd saw huge popularity not just with the DSotM period but also with the Wall which was one of the musical events in the early 80s capped off by the film (an enormous draw for the midnight crowds all through the first half of the 80s), people liked these records not because they were Prog but because they were, well, Pink Floyd, a total original and a band that knew how to produce their music and sell their drama.. I don't know of any prog band that saw their level of hugeness, even at ELP's or Yes's peak..  sure Floyd were a progressive rock band but they flourished because they were liberated from "Prog", not a part of it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:38
Originally posted by Tinyfish Tinyfish wrote:



...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.

Breathe...breathe in the.....CIDER!!!





You know, I'm still p!ssed off that the worzels haven't made it into the the archives. Prog Related at least! I mean look at those clothes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:23
not prog, but kind of founders of todays' prog, (now, that's easy :D )
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 11:51
...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that.

Breathe...breathe in the.....CIDER!!!




Edited by Tinyfish - October 10 2008 at 11:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 11:33
Originally posted by sigod sigod wrote:

Hey Andy.

Now if Pink Floyd covered an Opeth song, THAT would be worth writing about.


mmm, how about Opeth doing Floyd. Cirrus Minor, I think..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 10:55
Hey Andy.

Now if Pink Floyd covered an Opeth song, THAT would be worth writing about.
I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:42
Hiya Simon

Best not open the old 'Opeth isn't C'n'W' can of worms..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:33
Bloody journalists.

They'll be saying that Opeth is not Country and Western next.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 08:42
True Andy. DOAV is the most prog song on that album, but still retains a commercial feel. I doubt that many of his A level students could even identify it as being in 7/4.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 08:02
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

"Genesis' [COLOR=#005689">Dance on a Volcano[/COLOR"> nearly made my A-level students sick when I played it to them as an example of prog rock. The ponderous 7/4 theme is genuinely queasy"
 

That is just nonsense.


Indeed. Utter bogsh!te if I ever heard it.

Perhaps if he had played them 'Larks Tounges in Aspic' or something, I could believe this, but there isn't really anything innaccessable about 'DOAV' Despite the irregular time signature, its still very 'easy on the ear'

Genesis composed the song that way to catch the attention of a wider audience, whilst retaining their 'prog credentials' They were masters at doing that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 07:54
Originally posted by poslednijat_colobar poslednijat_colobar wrote:

This guy from interview,told that he hate 7/4! It's irregular tempo. It's genius. I would like to ask you,guys,is that the real tempo of Dance on a Volcano?I thought it is 5/4???


The time signature is indeed 7/4.

'Tempo' just refers to the pace at which the music is played.

'Down & Out' by Genesis is a good example of 5/4 time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 10 2008 at 07:53
The point I took objection to in this twit's article was his glib attempt to deride Genesis' Dance on a Volcano by employing some abstruse and heavily flawed musicological reasoning that such a composition should be somehow fashioned to an imaginary mental model of his own devising. Why? He'll certainly find several thousand musicoligists who disagree with him. It may have made him feel 'queasy' but on the occasions I choose listen to Dance on a Volcano, it has the effect of  leaving me feeling energised and uplifted.
 
One of the main tenets of progressive rock in the early seventies was a kicking over of the traces and bending of so-called 'rules'. Even if the track had been recorded dropping half a beat from every bar and employed quarter tones, it would still be a valid piece of composition. In the end, music is a subjective art and we all have our own tastes and biases. As for listening to Bartok and Ligeti, sure, why not? I frequently do - I also listen to Genesis and Yes and, dependent on mood, enjoy and appreciate them all equally. Why should they be mutually exclusive?
 
Never mind, the same sort of inane comments have been springing from the pens (and now computers)of imbiciles with delusions of grandeur for many a year, so why stop now? I certainly feel sorry for his 'students', let's hope some of them have minds and ears of their own and don't turn out like that sad twerp. Genesis music will definitely outlive him, that's for certain.
 
Oh, and of course, Pink Floyd are one of the original 'bricks in the wall' of the genre dubbed 'Progressive Rock ' - that's a historical fact. What a plonker!
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