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mistertorture
Forum Groupie Joined: September 01 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 98 |
Topic: Return To Forever Posted: July 02 2009 at 12:54 |
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Individually Al Di Meola is my favourite, he'a amazing.
But within the confines of the band I have to vote for Chick, is his music, his touch is present in every single second of Return To Forever's music. |
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Syzygy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 16 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 7003 |
Posted: July 01 2009 at 17:16 | |||||
Bill Connors should definitely be included. Al Di Meola didn't really outperform him until Romantic Warrior, and Connor's playing on Hymn of the 7th Galaxy has a lot more feeling than most of Di Meola's work with the band, and he wasn't far behind in terms of technique either.
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MysticDreams2331
Forum Newbie Joined: October 04 2008 Location: Rochester NY Status: Offline Points: 23 |
Posted: July 01 2009 at 16:39 | |||||
I think at the time of RTF Corea was the best. However, I think Di Meola has done nothing but drastically improve every time he plays and is now the best of the bunch. I think he def. stole the show on the new Live album.
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Dick Heath
Special Collaborator Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12799 |
Posted: July 01 2009 at 09:15 | |||||
In the throes of writing a Stanley Clarke biog, and researches have minded me that the pre-1974 line-up of the jazz rock RTF was Corea, Clarke, White and the great Bill Connors, but at least one recording on the compilation Return to the 7th Galaxy, also reminds that the Latin jazz version of RTF (early 70's) included Joe Farrell, Flora Purim, Airto. But then gigs of the jazz rock line-up were flexible in 1973 with the likes of Joe Farrell and (perrenial session drummer) Steve Gadd sitting in with Corea, Clarke and Connors.
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Noak
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2009 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 544 |
Posted: July 01 2009 at 08:56 | |||||
That's really hard. But I gotta go with Stanley since I'm also a bassist.
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Sacred 22
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
Posted: July 01 2009 at 01:22 | |||||
Well, they are all amazing musicians and I just saw Al Dimeola live tonite.............Wow. Hmmmm, who is the best? They are all better than the vast majority of musicians out there period but I will have to lean towards Al Dimeola only because I prefer him from a taste standpoint.
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jammun
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
Posted: June 30 2009 at 23:03 | |||||
Ain't that sad, almost no one remembers Bill when it comes to the RTF discussions. Granted, he was only on board for the first album, and having met him I more or less understand why he left, but man did he set the standard for fusion, not just for RTF. Edited by jammun - June 30 2009 at 23:04 |
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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SaltyJon
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 08 2008 Location: Location Status: Offline Points: 28772 |
Posted: June 30 2009 at 22:42 | |||||
This. |
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crimson87
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 03 2008 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1818 |
Posted: June 30 2009 at 20:19 | |||||
Bill Connors>>>>>>>>>> Al di Meola
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BrufordFreak
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: January 25 2008 Location: Wisconsin Status: Offline Points: 7955 |
Posted: June 30 2009 at 19:56 | |||||
Chick is so prolific and has travelled so many pathways his prowess cannot be denied. Al has grown, I'll give him that ( I thought his playing in the 70s too technique-oriented, no emotion), and he is an amazing guitarist--one of the best. Lenny's smoothness and subtlety always amazed me but, I have to admit, there are a few drummers that I've seen that I would rate higher (Steve Gadd, Zakir Hussein, Trilok Gurtu, Bill Bruford). STanley has been less on my radar screen since the 80s but having heard some fairly recent stuff of his I am of the mind that he may be the greatest bassist I've ever heard. (Never seen him, though!! )
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Sacred 22
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 1509 |
Posted: March 25 2009 at 11:50 | |||||
Stanley Clarke must be seen to be appreciated. Simply incredible.
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darkshade
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Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:49 | |||||
no, i think you're thinking of lenny white |
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Thored
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Posted: March 25 2009 at 10:32 | |||||
I gave Stanley my love, for I love the bass.
Though all of them are masters of their instruments, my bias makes me pick Stanley. |
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Speesh
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 21 2006 Location: NJ / VT Status: Offline Points: 435 |
Posted: March 25 2009 at 09:29 | |||||
Have to agree with pretty much all of that. Though I may be biased as a keys player as well, I could easily see any bassist voting for Stanley as they probably have more appreciation for what he does than I do. And I think he's phenomenal. Same goes for Al and Lenny, though I'm not a big fan of Al's style. Edited by Speesh - March 25 2009 at 09:30 |
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npjnpj
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 05 2007 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2720 |
Posted: March 25 2009 at 06:03 | |||||
I can't judge this based on RTF, because they play as a unit and not as individuals, but comparing their solo output I vote for CC.
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mr.cub
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 06 2009 Location: Lexington, VA Status: Offline Points: 971 |
Posted: March 24 2009 at 16:37 | |||||
Well I saw these guys live during their reunion tour, phenomenal to say the least.
But out of all of them, I think I was most impressed by Stanley Clarke- goodness can he play that bass, and with such power, dexterity and passion!
Even though Chick wrote the majority of their material, Stanley was the central force behind their sound...now and always
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____VdGG____
Forum Senior Member Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 156 |
Posted: March 24 2009 at 16:31 | |||||
What is up with the lack of Bill Connors!? Al Di Meola always sounded like a bit of a robot to me in comparison. I'd say that Chick was the most substantial, as he did write most of the material. Stan gets second because he was just ridiculous....
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Iron throated monsters are forcing the screams;
Mind and machinery box-press our dreams |
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BroSpence
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 05 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2614 |
Posted: October 20 2008 at 22:31 | |||||
Actually, Chick was around with Getz well before that album. 1967 - Sweet Rain. (getz, ron carter and chick). And before that he was playing with the likes of Mongo Santamaria and Sonny Stitt and many more as early as 1963. However he didn't really get much wider recognition until his time with Davis and Getz.
Clarke never played with Miles Davis. |
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Tapfret
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8571 |
Posted: October 20 2008 at 19:02 | |||||
Not to mention, before they were RTF, they toured with Stan Getz and released the album Captain Marvel. A few early RTF tunes like Captain Marvel (obviously) and 500 Miles High were originally released on this album. |
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JROCHA
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 18 2007 Location: Oakland, KS Status: Offline Points: 1501 |
Posted: October 20 2008 at 18:41 | |||||
Yeah i forgot to mention that Chick,Lenny played with Miles.
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