Why Grobschnitt isn't consider the best band ever?

stonebeard wrote: Because they're probably not.

Vibrationbaby wrote: Well look what I said above. Only one bloody Grobschnitt album was released in North America on an obscure label, BOMB  Records.. All my friends at school back in the seventies thought I was some kind of freak from another galaxy when they heard this music. I hate to say it but the internet allows for a lot more openmindedness as far as music choices go because one can pick and choose. Back in the seventies if it wasn`t being promoted in the mainstream media it just wasn`t going to make it.

Tell 'em VB. Scarcity of choices made each "find' all that much more appreciated. And as for Grobschnitt, the first time I heard about them was a few years back when I used to go through those Amazon.com lists that people post (best of this genre, this nation's bands that you need to hear, Unknown prog gems is where I saw Grobschnitt first), and from there I picked it up. Eventually, I got most of their collection.

And as far as any band being under-rated just because everyone doesn't know them, well that could apply to the Beatles too, eh.
It would be nice for our ego if our idols were as beloved by everyone else as they are by us. Then The Angels from Angel City, Et Cetera (quebec), Nick Lowe, and many others would enjoy more success than they do or did.
But funny, I still get a kick out of listening to them despite their relative obscurity.

ExittheLemming wrote: Okay dokay matey, we're all ears - where can we hear/buy their music and do you feel remotely inclined to describe same ? or better still, go through the appropriate procedure to suggest their inclusion on PA ?

In my opinion they are already included. 

But that is not the point;  I 'm a student from Germany and the words that I know in English aren't enough for explaining the things that I want to say  shortly and concisely, sorry for that.


The question has got very much to do with the question "Why are Grobschnitt so heavily underrated?".
Well,  in order to answer this question  it is necessary  to know  *who*  underrates this band.  In most cases  the reason is that nobody really knows the band - and if you don't know a band,  you won't take it into your BandTop5 list.

It could be possible  that Grobschnitt would be much more popular in case they were better known everywhere on earth.  When everyone knows the band, the reasons for their unpopularity could be discussed.  But the thesis "This band is underrated"  always leads to the question "Who underrates the band?"

Here in the PA  nearly everyone who knows the band  really loves or likes it ...


That the discussion is nonsense isn't that what I want to say,  and the thread poster shall not be angry -  but at first I think  one should think about the  underrated-tism  of the band. 

"a band gets nominated as one of the bands ever  when it is marketed in the right way, when it gets popular."

So, Madonna are the BEST?? Or Michael Jackson?? Everyone here knows Grobschnitt. Their album have hundreds of reviews and you can read several ones saying the album is the best ever recorded... so you cannot compare any obscure band with Grobschnitt...

I think these polls are just a vehicle to get the ball rolling on discussions. I mean it would be ludicrous for me to respond to a poll on Meshugga ( although I did stir up some s*** on a thread once ). I`ve tried to enlighten people on a number of bands since I joined the site to no avail so don`t feel bad or take it personally. The most recent is Steve Smith`s Vital Information. I lobbied for a few months to get the addition and finally won my case. I did the bio, selected the photo, added all the albums and did the first review. So far no reviews forthcoming. In a nutshell Steve Smith is one of the greatest dummers alive. If you want more go to his section here on PA. I`ll definitely  check out this Icelandic Band out and get back to you. Hope it doesn`t sound anything like Bjork  I might add I`ve discovered many great bands through this site that I might have otherwise overlooked.
Back on topic. As for the name of Grobschnitt being that of a novelist are you sure you`re not getting this mixed up with Novalis who took their name from Novalis which was a pen name of a German romantic novelist/philosopher from the 18th century? I`m going to try and order Grobschnitt Live2008. There`s a store here in Montreal that can get stuff like that pretty quick.


Edited by Vibrationbaby - January 06 2009 at 12:29

Why isn't Florian Silbereisen considered the best artist ever?

Sorry, but those "best band ever" - polls  are completely nonsense in my opinion;  a band gets nominated as one of the bands ever  when it is marketed in the right way, when it gets popular.

Those polls only work if everyone here,  completetely _everyone_,  knows Grobschnitt's whole discography. 
 
Circa 30 %  of all the members here would love the Icelandic band  Thursaflokkurinn,  but no-one knows it - and even with my "advertising"  of this band  no-one  will  inform oneself about Thursaflokkurinn  because  most of the members here  have never heard about the band. 

I have this photo and it is interesting because I think Tony was not part of Grobschnitt in the beginning.. but perhaps I'm wrong.. I know their first name was Crew in the end of the 60's...

Edited by Grobsch - January 06 2009 at 11:02

About the Grobshnitt of the 80s. I dunno. I had an easier time with Illegal than I did with Rockpommel`s Land. The Humour and magic was still there but in an eighties context. I listened to The Last Party Live this morning and remembered that I had reviewed it here some time ago. I couldn`t believe I gave it only three lousy stars. So I just updated it to four stars. Most of the tracks were taken from Razzia and Illegal and I`ve got Illegal spinning right now. For me there`s absolutely nothing wrong with the 80s Grobschnitt. One dissappointment  with the Last Party album wwas the virtual absence of anything before the Illegal album ( the exception being Anywhere ).
One thing I meant to say earlier, and this sort of reflects what Alucard mentioned earlier on, that they were more concerned with live shows and this is where they really shined and I agree with him on the point that so much is lost on the studio work but fortunately EROC has managed to release a lot of remastered live recordings with more to come!. If you compare their studio album output  ( 5 albums in 7 years during the seventies) to other bands from the seventies it`s rather low. Without argument their music had so much growth potential on the live stage. They never played any one song quite the same way.


Edited by Vibrationbaby - January 06 2009 at 10:36

ExittheLemming wrote: From the evidence presented on "The Grobschitt Story 2" - the only album of theirs I am EVER likely to own, we have an ensemble of stoned smug hippies who combine the cartoon puerility of Zappa, the theatrical art-w**k of Guru Guru wedded to some very lame rawk toons and heavy handed attempts at "freakout subversion" Better In Yer Face than Off Yer Face

Wow! Are you ever clued out. Evidence? As in Exhibit "A" ?  How do you percieve music? You must be in the legal profession. Nonetheless, to each his own I guess. 

^ They look very proggy. Proto-proto-prog, maybe?