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Posted: March 09 2009 at 11:28

Robbie Basho - Seal of the Blue Lotus (1965)

John Fahey - The Voice of the Turtle (1965)

Ahmet Ertegun - Mess Around (1953 - covered by the Animals in 1965)

Woody Guthrie - This Land is Your Land (1944) - and yes, I'm serious

Leadbelly - Goodnight, Irene (1932)

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Posted: March 11 2009 at 11:34

zicIy wrote:

"Zoot Suit" - The Who (1964)

"i´m The Face" - The Who (1964)

I found these on "Quadrophenia - original soundtrack". What's proto-prog about these?

(BTW, also found some nice previously unreleased tracks from the original Quadrophenia album sessions on the soundtrack.)

Edited by earlyprog - March 11 2009 at 11:35

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Posted: March 11 2009 at 14:19

earlyprog wrote:

zicIy wrote:

"Zoot Suit" - The Who (1964)

"i´m The Face" - The Who (1964)

I found these on "Quadrophenia - original soundtrack". What's proto-prog about these?

very simple that - no Zoot Suit, no I'm The Face 1964 - NO QUADROPHENIA 1973.

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Posted: March 12 2009 at 15:44

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no hendrix or rolling stones?

No, and with good reason. Hendrix wasn't around, and the stones had hardly any prog relation, especially at that time.

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Posted: March 12 2009 at 16:43

Suggestions so far:

Song Recorded/Released Artist

Goodnight, Irene ?/? ’32 Leadbelly

This Land is Your Land ?/? ’44 Woody Guthrie

Mess Around ?/? ’53 Ahmet Ertegun

Milestones ’58 Miles Davis

Kind of Blue ’59 Miles Davis

I Hear a New World ?/? ’60 Joe Meek

Green Onions June?/Aug ’62 Booker T. & The MG’s

Chinese Checkers ?/June ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s

Mo’ Onions ?/Dec ’63 Booker T. & The MG’s

Not A Second Time Sept/Nov ’63 Beatles

I Call Your Name Mar/June ’64 Beatles

A Hard Day’s Night April/July ’64 Beatles

House of the Rising Sun May/June ’64 Animals

Things We Said Today June/July ’64 Beatles

Zoot Suit June/July ’64 Who

I’m The Face June/July Who

She's Not There ?/July ’64 Zombies

Go Now ?/Nov ’64 Moody Blues

Every Little Thing Sept/Dec ’64 Beatles

I Feel Fine Oct/Nov ’64 Beatles

Hesitation Blues ?/? ’64 The Holy Modal Rounders

I Can’t Explain Nov ‘64/Jan ’65 Who

Raga ? '64/'68 Seventh Sons

For Your Love ?/Feb ’65 Yardbirds

Play with Fire Jan/Feb ‘65 Rolling Stones

Subterranean Homesick Blues Jan/April ’65 Bob Dylan

I Knew I’d Want You Jan/April ’65 Byrds

Ticket To Ride Feb/April ’65 Beatles

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away Feb/Aug ’65 Beatles

Anyway, Anyhow, Anywhere April/May ’65 Who

California Girls April/July ’65 Beach Boys

Here Without You April/July ’65 Byrds

Heart Full Of Soul ?/June ’65 Yardbirds

Like A Rolling Stone June/July ’65 Bob Dylan

Desolation Row June/Aug ’65 Bob Dylan

See My Friends ?/? ’65 Kinks

Yesterday June/Aug ’65 Beatles

Still I’m Sad ?/Oct ’65 Yardbirds

It Won’t Be Wrong Sept/Dec ’65 Byrds

Stranger In A Strange Land Sept ‘65/’96 Byrds

Norwegian Wood Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles

If I Needed Someone Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles

In My Life Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles

Nowhere Man Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles

We Can Work It Out Oct/Dec ’65 Beatles

My Generation Oct/Nov ’65 Who

The Good’s Gone ?/Dec ’65 Who

The Ox ?/Dec ’65 Who

The Word Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles

Girl Nov ‘65/Dec ’65 Beatles

Think For Yourself Nov/Dec ’65 Beatles

He Was A Friend Of Mine Nov/Dec ’65 Byrds

Pet Sounds Nov ‘65/May ’66 Beach Boys

It’s No Secret Dec ‘65/Sept 66 Jefferson Airplane

High Flyin’ Bird Dec ‘65/? Jefferson Airplane

Seal of the Blue Lotus ?/? ’65 Robbie Basho

The Voice of the Turtle ?/? ’65 John Fahey

Shapes of Things ‘65/Feb ’66 Yardbirds

Edited by earlyprog - March 19 2009 at 05:56

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Posted: March 13 2009 at 10:51

Out of the ones not on your original list I would add.

"We Can Work It Out". Though not a psychedelic rock songs the harmonium swell pedal effects on "We Can Work it Out" is just a prelude to what your hear later in 1966-1967. Also the change of time signatures on the bridge a sure sign of proto-prog elements. The sound of the song is very unique at the time in rock music.

I would add the "Ox" by the Who it has very pre-sounding Hendrix guitar feedback on the track. I would say a no to "Zoot Suit" and "Im the Face". I would add "Heart Full of Soul", "See My Friends", and "You've Got Hide Your Love Away". That's IMO.

Edited by Rank1 - March 13 2009 at 10:55

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Posted: March 13 2009 at 15:06

Rank1 wrote:

I would say a no to "Zoot Suit" and "Im the Face".

I strongly tend to agree with you as I have already indicated above.

I'm also not sure about Go Now.

Although by bands (previously) listed as proto-prog, I don't find the songs themselves to be proto-prog.

Edited by earlyprog - March 13 2009 at 15:09

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Posted: March 13 2009 at 15:11

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I Hear a New World ?/? ’60 Joe Meek

I Hear A New World was recorded in 1959.

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Posted: March 14 2009 at 08:16

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"Milestones", "Kind of Blue" ... Miles' albums pre'66...who made the better proto-prog than him at that ancient times ? Nobody.

Any particular tracks off these albums?

May I suggest All Blues and/or So What off Kind Of Blue?

Do not know Milestones, so need your help on this one.

Edited by earlyprog - March 14 2009 at 12:30

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Posted: March 14 2009 at 12:39

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I Hear a New World ?/? ’60 Joe Meek

I Hear A New World was recorded in 1959.

Christ, this is unbelievable. "Lightyears" ahead of its time !

Edited by earlyprog - March 14 2009 at 12:42

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Posted: March 14 2009 at 12:46

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Captain Capricorn wrote:

earlyprog wrote:

I Hear a New World ?/? ’60 Joe Meek

I Hear A New World was recorded in 1959.

Christ, this is unbelievable. "Lightyears" ahead of its time !

Tell me about it...tragic that he killed himself a few years after the recording

...Joe Meek is like the long lost prophet of psychedelic/space rock

The Tornados would be a nice addition to that pre '66 playlist...Meek produced their music & incorperated a lot of his space effects into their sound...here is a link to their songs Telstar & Robot, both from '63:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdDjy1UtW4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYkjKWe5X80

Edited by Captain Capricorn - March 14 2009 at 16:05

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Posted: March 14 2009 at 14:51

- also, check out Attilio Mineo's Man In Space With Sounds (1962)

http://heinouberspace.blogspot.com/2007/09/attilio-mineo-conducts-man-in-space.html

...as well as Louis & Bebe Barron's soundtrack to the 1956 film Forbidden Planet & Les Baxter's Music Out Of The Moon (1947).

I suppose all of this might work better for a pre '66 space playlist than a pre '66 prog playlist

Edited by Captain Capricorn - March 14 2009 at 15:57

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Posted: March 15 2009 at 08:14

Captain Capricorn wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdDjy1UtW4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYkjKWe5X80

Followed the links and they indeed fit the playlist.

Found this interesting info on Wikipedia, about their guitarist:

Rhythm guitarist George Bellamy is the father of Matthew Bellamy, frontman for British rock band Muse. The introduction in "Knights Of Cydonia" by Muse is very similar to that of "Telstar".

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Posted: March 15 2009 at 10:55

earlyprog wrote:

Captain Capricorn wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQdDjy1UtW4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYkjKWe5X80

Followed the links and they indeed fit the playlist.

Found this interesting info on Wikipedia, about their guitarist:

Rhythm guitarist George Bellamy is the father of Matthew Bellamy, frontman for British rock band Muse. The introduction in "Knights Of Cydonia" by Muse is very similar to that of "Telstar".

...well that explains a lot!

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Posted: March 15 2009 at 17:59

earlyprog wrote:

Captain Capricorn wrote:

earlyprog wrote:

I Hear a New World ?/? ’60 Joe Meek

I Hear A New World was recorded in 1959.

Christ, this is unbelievable. "Lightyears" ahead of its time !

Yeah, it really is. Do you think that Joe Meek would stand a chance as a proto-prog addition for this album?

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Posted: March 16 2009 at 06:53

J.S.Bach's Brandemburg Concerto #5, allegro #2 with a killer harpsicord solo

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Posted: March 16 2009 at 07:00

Dave Berry and "The crying game" comes to mind and Twinkle w/ "Terry" but my money is on The early Jefferson Airplane surrealistic pillow stuff.

The Beau Brummels Laugh Laugh.

Telstar w/ the Tornados

Last but not least my earliest recolection of prog goes to 1959 Tracey Pendarvis and "Thousand guitars"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-paz1hfSc0

And this bloke http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCzjBZABec4&feature=related

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Posted: March 16 2009 at 08:39

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J.S.Bach's Brandemburg Concerto #5, allegro #2 with a killer harpsicord solo

.......

First I laughed, next I asked myself why not. Had the harpsichord been added to a rock/blues/R&B/R'n'R context, then perhaps yes. The mixing of classical music (technology) with other (moden) genres being the key of course.

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Posted: March 16 2009 at 08:44

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Telstar w/ the Tornados

Discussed and added as per above.

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....my money is on The early Jefferson Airplane surrealistic pillow stuff.

Jefferson Airplane only just made to the list with some pre '66 stuff. By default, a few songs off their debut has already been added to the playlist.

Edited by earlyprog - March 16 2009 at 08:49

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Posted: March 18 2009 at 05:12

Just an observation:

Most of Rubber Soul has been included. Surely underlines its importance as a proto-prog album.

Edited by earlyprog - March 18 2009 at 05:15