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Points: 4202 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2009 at 05:52
The 13.40 long suite from Fistful of Dollars by Ennio Morricone has all you can dream of in a prog-epic.  A masterpiece!



Morricone has loads that could pass for prog of numerous subgenres, though.
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Points: 7456 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2009 at 06:13
Another recommendation to add is Captain Beefheart's A&M sessions from 1965,sadly not on PAs

Tracklist -
Diddy Wah Diddy
Who Do You Think You're Fooling
Moonchild
Frying Pan
Here I Am I Always Am


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The Easybeats - Friday On My Mind (1966)
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Originally posted by Man Erg Man Erg wrote:

Another recommendation to add is Captain Beefheart's A&M sessions from 1965,sadly not on PAs

Tracklist -
Diddy Wah Diddy
Who Do You Think You're Fooling
Moonchild
Frying Pan
Here I Am I Always Am

 
These sessions were recorded in early 1966.


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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Just an observation:
 
Most of Rubber Soul has been included. Surely underlines its importance as a proto-prog album.
 
 I think it's because many of the tracks have a hippie type vibe to them like the "The Word", "Think For Yourself" and ("Norwegian Wood") psychedelic folk?  Then there are the  European folk influences of  "Girl", and the sped up baroque sounding keyboard solo of "In My Life".  I can see why Brian Wilson and Brian Jones were influenced by this album.
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Points: 7456 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2009 at 12:42
Originally posted by Rank1 Rank1 wrote:

Originally posted by Man Erg Man Erg wrote:

Another recommendation to add is Captain Beefheart's A&M sessions from 1965,sadly not on PAs Tracklist - Diddy Wah Diddy Who Do You Think You're Fooling Moonchild Frying Pan Here I Am I Always Am

 

These sessions were recorded in early 1966.


Not according to Beefheart.com :-)

http://www.beefheart.com/datharp/albums/official/index.html

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Points: 2098 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2009 at 14:40
Originally posted by progrocker2244 progrocker2244 wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Capricorn Captain Capricorn wrote:

Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

I Hear a New World                                     ?/? ’60                                 Joe Meek
 
 
I Hear A New World was recorded in 1959.
 
Pinch  Christ, this is unbelievable. "Lightyears" ahead of its time !


Yeah, it really is. Do you think that Joe Meek would stand a chance as a proto-prog addition for this album?


 
Judging from the youtube clip alone I would say yes, but this really should be based on his entire catalogue or at least the album in question. I have preordered a copy of the forthcoming reissue of the album. Until then I owe you an answer on that one.
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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

John Fahey - The Voice of the Turtle (1965)
 
 
Wasn't this 1968? according Wikipedia and other sources it was.
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The Ventures - Out Of Limits (1964)
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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

The 13.40 long suite from Fistful of Dollars by Ennio Morricone has all you can dream of in a prog-epic.  A masterpiece!



Morricone has loads that could pass for prog of numerous subgenres, though.


 
No doubt! Morricone was a true visionary...my fav from him is Once Upon A Time In The West...pure magic!
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^The whole Man with no Name-trilogy, and the later Once Upon... soundtracks are filled with magic. Fistful of Dollars is a particular favorite of mine probably because its performed as one long piece. But I also picked it because i think its the most relevant piece compositionwise, and that its from as early as 1964.

This totally amazing piece, is from A Few Dollars More made in 1965:
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Points: 10349 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 08:13
I think some of these were already mentioned, but here are some proto-prog artists for you:
Sun Ra
Les Baxter
John Coltrane
Dick Hyman
The Shadows
The Ventures
Sandy Bull
Jon Lord's Santa Barbara Machine Head

Regarding Jimi Hendrix, I believe there is an early recorded guitat 'freakout' with The Isley Brothers circa about 1965, I've never heard it, just read about it.

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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

^The whole Man with no Name-trilogy, and the later Once Upon... soundtracks are filled with magic. Fistful of Dollars is a particular favorite of mine probably because its performed as one long piece. But I also picked it because i think its the most relevant piece compositionwise, and that its from as early as 1964.

This totally amazing piece, is from A Few Dollars More made in 1965:




 
Wonderful piece! I love the Few Dollars soundtrack (Fistful is great too) ...a lot of interesting moments - almost John Cage meets Andrew Lloyd Webber Big smile
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Points: 1085 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 08:46
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Jon Lord's Santa Barbara Machine Head
 
Did they release anything prior to 67?
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^ according to their bio, they were 'organized' (ha ha) in 67.
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Are all these songs suggested in the last few days seriously within the boundaries of Proto-Progressive ROCK?
 
I need to follow up on the latest suggestions, but I think the minimum requirement should be the presence of an electric guitar. Or what do you think?


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Points: 10349 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 10:49
^ OK then, shorten that list to

The Ventures
The Shadows
Sandy Bull
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Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Are all these songs suggested in the last few days seriously within the boundaries of Proto-Progressive ROCK?
 
I need to follow up on the latest suggestions, but I think the minimum requirement should be the presence of an electric guitar. Or what do you think?
 
 Proto-Prog is a rock based genre correct? I don't get some of the suggestions like Coltrane or Sandy Bull.
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Points: 10349 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2009 at 12:27
Sandy Bull is a guitar player, he released an album with lengthy non-jazz guitar/drum improvs (beat driven folk/raga sort of) with the drummer from Ornette Coleman's band. I forget when it came out, somewhere between 62 and 64 I think.
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

Sandy Bull is a guitar player, he released an album with lengthy non-jazz guitar/drum improvs (beat driven folk/raga sort of) with the drummer from Ornette Coleman's band. I forget when it came out, somewhere between 62 and 64 I think.
 
 That's cool but Proto-Prog is a rock subgenre.
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