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Canprog 
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 15:56 |
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If I had to choose I would say communism. It beats dictatorship and anarchy would be...well anarchy.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 15:57 |
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Anarchy, definitely.
The other two are the epitome of suck.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:14 |
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Communism is good as idea (and only as idea). We all know it always turned to dictatorship.
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:26 |
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Socialism for the win. Distinct from communism in that it focuses more on equalising opportunities than people, and it doesn't need to have the working class obsession.
That said, oligarchy is pretty interesting as a concept, dictatorship/monarchy are crazy, anarchy is terrible, and capitalism also sucks.
Also, anyone been following this Telegraph series? I think it's probably the biggest scoop in years. Bloody interesting stuff. Strange that MPs are petty enough to claim expenses on biscuits.
Edit: sides which, democratic government is based on social instinct, I think, or at least on the use of social cooperation to promote your self-interest. I think really, if we can all get on the same page, we can achieve something magnificent and live better lives. I can't see that realistically happening as long as we promote the money-is-god image and self-interest as the norm.
Ah well.
Edited by TGM: Orb - May 14 2009 at 16:32
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 16:32 |
 MovingPictures07 wrote:
Anarchy, definitely.
The other two are the epitome of suck.
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SOMALIA RULES, RUSSIA DROOLS!
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Vompatti
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:04 |
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Anarchy. But since that's unlikely to happen I keep voting for the communists.
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JJLehto
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:11 |
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Out of those choices.....communism.
However, communism, as it has manifested itself, is a dictatorship...
TRUE communism is in my opinion actually close to anarchy, so while it is not a dictatorship I think it is repressive my nature. Also very backwards and doomed to inevitable failure.
Anarchy....uh no
The way to go is Social Democracy. BASICS of socialism in a capitalistic society. And of course it is NOT communist or a dictatorship.
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:20 |
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What's the one about countries/nations not importing things at all, and relying on what they have?
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:25 |
Like NotAProghead said, communism is dictatorship. You simply can't allow people to own stuff and be free without forcing them to. If I were to live in one of the past societies from before the start of the modern era and especially before the development of democracis, I'd pick the Roman Republic/Empire. It had better social status for the non-citizens, slaves, even better than in the Greek "democracies". But if I got to be born as a citizen, well, it would have been really nice.  
Edited by Swan Song - May 14 2009 at 17:29
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:28 |
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If it weren't for slavery, and maybe some other things I'm unaware of (?), I'd think classical Greece was the best government and society I can think of.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:30 |
stonebeard wrote:
What's the one about countries/nations not importing things at all, and relying on what they have?
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Deciding to be an autarky has nothing to do with capitalism though. Maybe I'm being dumb, but even mercantilism doesn't seem like a contradiction with capitalism to me.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:35 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
What's the one about countries/nations not importing things at all, and relying on what they have?
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Deciding to be an autarky has nothing to do with capitalism though. Maybe I'm being dumb, but even mercantilism doesn't seem like a contradiction with capitalism to me. |
Autarchism doesn't sound like what I was thinking of, though. I read about this thing on Wikipedia some time ago, but can't remember what it's called.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:38 |
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^ Protectionism?
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 17:38 |
I think it was merchantilism, since that is actually listed as an alternative to capitalism, while a closed economy is merely a subset of any form of economy.
Although I have to say both sound pretty bad. Is comparative advantage really so hard to understand? I got a D in Macroeconomics, I think I know what I'm talking about. ;-)
Edited by Henry Plainview - May 14 2009 at 17:39
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rpe9p
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 18:41 |
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Communism in reality is like a much worse version of a dictatorship. Of these I'd rather live in a dictatorship by a mile.
By the way, did you mean to put non-democratic in the title because not capitalist doesnt necessarily mean not a democracy
Edited by rpe9p - May 14 2009 at 19:23
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 20:08 |
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Anarchy. I'm surprised that so many people picked communism when the USSR showed us what an abject failure it is.
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Atavachron
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 20:46 |
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awful choices, the big A wins though I suspect it would revert back into a kind of Democracy
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Man With Hat
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 21:03 |
Mr. Orb and JJ got it right here. Socialism/Social democracy all the way.
Vote for communism here.
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crimson87
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 21:07 |
rpe9p wrote:
Communism in reality is like a much worse version of a dictatorship. Of these I'd rather live in a dictatorship by a mile.
By the way, did you mean to put non-democratic in the title because not capitalist doesnt necessarily mean not a democracy
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Only someone that hasn't experienced such terror can say something like that. I agree on the second sentence though.
Why do I get the feel that some people think that non liberalism isautomatically bad?? I mean , you are putting three bad systems as an alternative. Capitalism wont last forever , it's been with us in it's modern form for just 125 years which is nothing in terms of history. Sure , it's been building up more or less since the fall of the Western Roman Empire but other alternatives will be found. However , a catasthrophe has to happen for it to dissapear.
I guess there is no turning back from capitalism , it was just natural for it to rule our lives due to the constant technical innovation society mades ( and greed of course)
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mr.cub
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Posted: May 14 2009 at 21:19 |
Sorry. Not enough love in this world for anarchy to work; people simply lack the self control. I guess I choose dictatorship because its the lesser of two evils... 
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