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thellama73
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:37 |
Finnforest wrote:
Exactly. People to the south or north can refer to themselves as Americans too if they wish. I don't care. But that's what we call ourselves and there's nothing wrong with it.
When I hear a president start a speech with "My fellow United Statesians", then I guess the 400 million of us who say "Americans" better change our ways.
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United Statesians would have to include Mexico then. (insert joke about illegal immigration that makes everyone mad)
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:37 |
thellama73 wrote:
I've been trying to explain this or years. No one seems to get it. Countries are referred to by the last word in their official name. Hence "the kingdom of Norway" is called "Norway" not "The Kingdom." The United States of Mexico is called Mexico and The United States of America is called America. The fact that North America is also a continent changes nothing.
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Actually, that makes the crucial difference. Mexico and Denmark are discrete units within America and Europe, whereas the US just gobbles up the entire continent with its name.
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:32 |
gottagetintogetout wrote:
If "good debater," you mean "shouts the loudest." |
I should have said he's a good mass debater
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:30 |
Exactly. People to the south or north can refer to themselves as Americans too if they wish. I don't care. But that's what we call ourselves and there's nothing wrong with it.
When I hear a president start a speech with "My fellow United Statesians", then I guess the 400 million of us who say "Americans" better change our ways.
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thellama73
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:30 |
Not as loud as Charlton Heston, God rest his soul.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:29 |
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As for Glenn Beck? Hate his guts. |
interesting to hear from a generally conservative state ..I must say my distaste for Beck is dwarfed by the sickness I feel watching Hannity, and I think it's because he's such an utter moron. So is O'Reilly but at least Bill-O knows he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, jokes about it and uses it to wide appeal. He's a pretty good debater as well.
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If "good debater," you mean "shouts the loudest."
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:26 |
good point, I rarely say the 'Russian Federation' either
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thellama73
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:23 |
I've been trying to explain this or years. No one seems to get it. Countries are referred to by the last word in their official name. Hence "the kingdom of Norway" is called "Norway" not "The Kingdom." The United States of Mexico is called Mexico and The United States of America is called America. The fact that North America is also a continent changes nothing.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:19 |
I'm simply telling you that people living in the USA, refer to themselves as "Americans" in conversation, without any second thought. Even liberals do. Nancy Pelosi, Michael Moore, and Barney Frank do it. Sorry you don't like it.
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:18 |
BTW I just voted 'paranoid', I think that best describes old Becko
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:15 |
Finnforest wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Thoughts like that keep glenn beck afloat.
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What's wrong with it Walter. That's what we call ourselves here.....Americans. What should we call ourselves in your opinion? Sincerely. I'm not trying to offend you.
Should the president say...."My fellow North Americans"......??
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It's the United States of America, a federal republic of states in the continent known as America. Now, what about everyone else in America? Non-Americans? Un-American? Where does that place Glenn Beck and his divisive us-and-them diatribes?
Edited by WalterDigsTunes - April 13 2010 at 21:15
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:14 |
Finnforest wrote:
Should the president say...."My fellow North Americans"......??
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and that wouldn't work either cause he isn't Canada's President
Edited by Atavachron - April 13 2010 at 21:17
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:13 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Thoughts like that keep glenn beck afloat.
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What's wrong with it Walter. That's what we call ourselves here.....Americans. What should we call ourselves in your opinion? Sincerely. I'm not trying to offend you. Should the president say...."My fellow North Americans"......??
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:09 |
gottagetintogetout wrote:
As for Glenn Beck? Hate his guts. |
interesting to hear from a generally conservative state ..I must say my distaste for Beck is dwarfed by the sickness I feel watching Hannity, and I think it's because he's such an utter moron. So is O'Reilly but at least Bill-O knows he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer, jokes about it and uses it to wide appeal. He's a pretty good debater as well.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:08 |
Finnforest wrote:
We understand that. There's also nothing wrong with us referring to ourselves as "Americans."
Even Obama does it. "My fellow Americans" "The American people" et al.
We don't refer to ourselves as "United Statians" or "North Americans" and we never will. Sorry.
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your avatar is WAYYY too sexy, my friend. Please subdue it. [note: Finnforest's avatar is of the sexy actress who plays the alien on V]
Edited by RoyFairbank - April 13 2010 at 21:09
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:08 |
Thoughts like that keep glenn beck afloat.
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Finnforest
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:05 |
We understand that. There's also nothing wrong with us referring to ourselves as "Americans."
Even Obama does it. "My fellow Americans" "The American people" et al.
We don't refer to ourselves as "United Statians" or "North Americans" and we never will. Sorry.
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UndercoverBoy
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 21:02 |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
America is a continent. |
I've been trying to explain that to some of my friends that "America" is not just a country. Unfortunately, in the U.S. it's common to think that we're the capital of the universe.
As for Glenn Beck? Hate his guts.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:59 |
America is a continent.
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 13 2010 at 20:58 |
thanks Jim, though I imagine it's been coined before
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