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Poll Question: Which of these artists would you most like to see in PA?
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    Posted: December 16 2009 at 13:34
 
Let's try again! I posted a similar poll a while back, but I made the great mistake of allowing mutiple votes (which obviously some people cannot handle!). See: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=60714&KW=
I know that some of these bands/artists have been suggested in the past. But the winner(s) in this poll will be suggested (again in some cases) for inclusion in Prog Related. 
 
Update: Please vote even if you think that none of them should be added! Vote then for the option you think there are least reason against adding.
 
Please also give arguments for or against these bands/artists. But please don't simply state that they stink/rule or that they are/are not progressive enough. Give examples and arguments that support the inclusion or non-inclusion of these artists. (And please do not make this into another one of those general debates about inclusions of controversial bands in general, there are many other threads for that!).
 
I myself is still somwehat undecided about these bands/artists, but they are all such that they have made great albums and songs that I enjoy very much, some of which I would call progressive in some sense at least or related to Prog in the relevant ways.
 
What do you think?
 


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Judas Priest - because they rule! Cool
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Points: 17583 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2009 at 14:08
this thread obviously belongs to the JUST FOR FUN section Wink


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Points: 1878 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2009 at 14:12
 
As I hinted at, Judas Priest have been discussed before. Here is a very long dicussion about the possible inclusion of that band: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=48068&KW=judas+priest
 
There are some good arguments both for and against inclusion there, but also a lot of irrelevant comments...
 
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Dio is waaaaay more adequate than the others.
He belonged to TWO bands somewhat related to prog: Rainbow, then Black Sabbath. His best known songs have an epic and heroic vibration that you can't find in the music of Ozzy Osbourne, Judas Priest and Malmsteen.
Moreover, many of his songs are longer than 5 minutes: it must mean he's "prog", doesn't it?




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Points: 1878 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2009 at 14:27
Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

this thread obviously belongs to the JUST FOR FUN section Wink

 
No, I'm actually serious! Tongue 
 
The truth is that together with Queen, Black Sabbath and Rainbow, some of these bands were among the ones that led me towards Prog and I still like some albums by these bands very much in the same way I like many "truely" progressive bands and artists.
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Dio is waaaaay more adequate than the others.
He belonged to TWO bands somewhat related to prog: Rainbow, then Black Sabbath. His best known songs have an epic and heroic vibration that you can't find in the music of Ozzy Osbourne, Judas Priest and Malmsteen.

So why isn't Manowar here already?
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Dio is waaaaay more adequate than the others.
He belonged to TWO bands somewhat related to prog: Rainbow, then Black Sabbath. His best known songs have an epic and heroic vibration that you can't find in the music of Ozzy Osbourne, Judas Priest and Malmsteen.

So why isn't Manowar here already?


I wonder why:
- they did a fantastic cover of Rossini's Guillaume Tell Overture;
- they did a concept album about Achilles with a 28-minutes epic!

Classical covers + Concept album + Looong epics = PROG!!!
MANOWAR IS PROG!!!




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None of them.
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Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Judas Priest - because they rule! Cool
 
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Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Dio is waaaaay more adequate than the others.
 
Hard to tell if you are being sarcastic, but I think that Dio is actually the least adequate of the four options. Dio's most progressive album is probably Magica, an album few have heard I suppose. However, they put on a fantastic live show with songs from Rainbow and Black Sabbath in the set list and their keyboard player is at the front of the stage and often in the sound.
 
I saw Dio live in Copenhagen a few years ago when they headlined a 'mini festival' with three bands. The other two were Uriah Heep and Asia (John Payne-version). I actually came there primarily to see Uriah Heep, but while I was slightly disappointed with Heep's performance, Asia, and especially Dio, were very positive surprises. Dio opened their set with Rainbow's Tarot Woman! And they played a great extended version of Sabbath's Heaven And Hell together with some of the best Dio songs. Possibly the best concert I have ever been to!!
 
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Ozzy Osbourne had a full blown prog metal song in the form of Diary of a Madman's title track.
Although it's pretty much obvious the song was actually written by Randy Rhoads though.
Other than that, eh, pretty much standard compositions.
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Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

Ozzy Osbourne had a full blown prog metal song in the form of Diary of a Madman's title track.
Although it's pretty much obvious the song was actually written by Randy Rhoads though.
Other than that, eh, pretty much standard compositions.
 
Well, I think that all of Ozzy's albums from the debut in 1980 to No More Tears in 1991 has at least one progressive song.
 
"Revelation (Mother Earth)" – 6:09 from Blizzard Of Ozz
"Diary of a Madman" – 6:14 from Diary of a Madman
"Centre of Eternity" - 5:15 and "Waiting for Darkness" - 5:14 from Bark At The Moon (my personal favourite Ozzy album)
"Killer of Giants" - 5:41 from Ultimate Sin
"Fire in the Sky" - 6:24 from No Rest For The Wicked
"No More Tears" - 7:23 from No More Tears
 
The Ozzmosis album is admitedly not particularly progressive, but Rick Wakeman playes on it TongueLOL
 
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No More Tears doesn't strike me as progressive at all. Yes it's a long song, but take a look at the actual compositional structure. It's kinda just an instrumental bit that builds up to a guitar solo that in itself builds up, and that's it, it's otherwise just a verse/chorus etc song.
Whereas Diary of the Madman is based around parts that properly connect with each other in the real prog rock fashion. The riffs truly connect to each next part, rather than just screaming "OH LOOK A NEW SECTION THAT ISN'T TOTALLY RELATED TO THE LAST" in the case of No More Tears.
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Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

No More Tears doesn't strike me as progressive at all. Yes it's a long song, but take a look at the actual compositional structure. It's kinda just an instrumental bit that builds up to a guitar solo that in itself builds up, and that's it, it's otherwise just a verse/chorus etc song.
Whereas Diary of the Madman is based around parts that properly connect with each other in the real prog rock fashion. The riffs truly connect to each next part, rather than just screaming "OH LOOK A NEW SECTION THAT ISN'T TOTALLY RELATED TO THE LAST" in the case of No More Tears.
 
I agree with you that Diary Of A Madman is Ozzy's most progressive song and probably my favourite.
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Originally posted by SouthSideoftheSky SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Originally posted by Rivertree Rivertree wrote:

this thread obviously belongs to the JUST FOR FUN section Wink

 
No, I'm actually serious! Tongue 
 
The truth is that together with Queen, Black Sabbath and Rainbow, some of these bands were among the ones that led me towards Prog and I still like some albums by these bands very much in the same way I like many "truely" progressive bands and artists.

But that doesn't make them progressive.

This isn't bands I like archive, its progarchives.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

But that doesn't make them progressive.
 
No, obviously not and neither did I claim such a thing. I just wanted to point out that I, as a Prog fan, enjoy some albums and songs by these bands, and I like them in the same way, for the same kind of reasons, that I like "genuine" Prog bands. Further, if that goes for me there are probably other Prog fans that do or will like them too - and that's what it's ultimately about isn't it, helping people to find good music to enjoy.
 
Besides, I haven't even suggested any of these bands for inclusion yet, this is just discussion. And if I will suggest any of them in the future it will, of course, be for Prog Related in which case they don't need to be proven truly progressive (whatever that means) to be considered.
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

None of them.
 
Please vote even if you think that none of them should be added! Vote then for the option you think there are least reason against adding.
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Points: 7691 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2009 at 09:00
^ In this case I vote for Malmsteen, he had some proggy elements on early albums and even a DVD with orchestra. 
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:

None of them.

Agreed, but love all of them Hug

I was just yesterday thinking how prog is the song Diary of a Madman by Ozzy (soooo prog...)
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