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arqwave 
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 Topic: i’m shocked about piracy
Posted: May 23 2005 at 13:43 |
Hi again, i've been out for quite a while... and i got shocked by a review about the new DT record: Octavarium... (and the insults too, hahaha) I'm not a saint and of course i'm far from it, but where are we going by downloading music from an album that hasn't reach the streets, and sadly damaging the beloved artist. To be honest i had to check out the source, and gladly (¿?) found out that the songs are from the James LaBrie record ELEMENTS OF PERSUASION, however, our thirst of music has gone beyond our ethics, and to me, buying an original record is a very important thing, not for the media, but for myself, i'm an architect and i would be very dissapointed if someone publish or copy my designs without my permission, even if that person is a fan trying to help me.
peace
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Man With Hat
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 18:41 |
I completely agree. People are as*h*les, and ruthless.
You gotta love todays socitey. 
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Reverie
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 20:08 |
I agree that it is bad to download entire albums without buying them also. I don't have such an issue with people who will go and and buy the album (eg Octavarium) after they download leaks or whatever, but really i don't think whole albums need to be downloaded in the first place.
The way i do it is i download a song or two or three (depending on the size of the album) and if i like what i hear enough i'll buy the album. That way i think i'm getting fair representation of the feel of the album. I have no moral issues with the way i do things in the slightest, and i really do think such methods have benifitted some bands. Whole albums though? Not for me. For one, it ruins the listening experience of when i finally get the album and pop it into my stereo or what ever.
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valravennz
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 20:28 |
 Reverie wrote:
I agree that it is bad to download entire albums without buying them also. I don't have such an issue with people who will go and and buy the album (eg Octavarium) after they download leaks or whatever, but really i don't think whole albums need to be downloaded in the first place.
The way i do it is i download a song or two or three (depending on the size of the album) and if i like what i hear enough i'll buy the album. That way i think i'm getting fair representation of the feel of the album. I have no moral issues with the way i do things in the slightest, and i really do think such methods have benifitted some bands. Whole albums though? Not for me. For one, it ruins the listening experience of when i finally get the album and pop it into my stereo or what ever.
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I totally agree with what you have said. Downloading one or two songs from an album I feel is a great way of determining whether you will like the album or not. That is how I do it and if I like what I hear then I will go out and buy the album. Unfortunately, there are many who do not go by this method and it is bad news for the bands who are the big losers in the end. I like the samples that are on this site and because of this I have expanded my CD collection somewhat and tried out new prog that I normally would not listen to. I only wish others would use some common sense and realize that they are not doing their favourite bands a favour by downloading entire albums off the Net. 
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con safo
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 21:21 |
Piracy Rules 
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:44 |
I refuse to buy albums without listening a representative number of songs from it, I already wasted too much money in crap before Internet existed.
BTW: I never bought more CD's than when Audio Galaxy was alive, thanks to them I found about at least 60 or 70 bands, and bought albums of most of them.
Iván
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con safo
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Posted: May 23 2005 at 23:45 |
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If it wasn't for Internet Piracy i wouldnt own half the albums i do.
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BigBoss
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 12:58 |
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www.mindawn.com - electronic music service that allows you to hear any song, in full, up to 3 times. No need to break the law by pirating music if you just want to review it.
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ita_prog_fan
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ExquisiteCorpse
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 15:08 |
i think that, as Reverie pointed out, theres no prob with downloading
an album to get it early, and then actually buying the album legally
once its actually released.
Anyways I like to have the album art, liner notes, yadda yadda yadda and you dont get thatfrom P2P.
And of course most of the p2p programs with enough users to satisfy me
( kazaa, limewire) wreck your comp and my parents wont let me do it
anyway 
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Hiwatter
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 20:14 |
Winmx is the way .
If i hadnt downloaded mp3s, i would have perhaps 20% of the albums i have now.
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ExquisiteCorpse
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 20:48 |
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also what about renting cd's/getting them from the library and copying them on yur comp?
And what about bands that arent around any more or are dead and dont make any money anymore anyway from the music?
Edited by ExquisiteCorpse
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No, her name is not Beatrice.
Yes, it's true: Movon invented cancer.
Josh and Peanut for President in '06!
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Hierophant
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Posted: May 24 2005 at 22:19 |
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DC++ has about everyband you can think of - if you connect to enough hubs.
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Pathetique
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 02:48 |
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I like bit torent because I feel like I'm shareing and not just takeing. As for anyone trying to get into the music biz all that will save you is Rum and Gold. I got the new DT album the week after they got done mastering it, same thing with Nine inch nails ect.
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Valarius
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 04:51 |
I may download a song or two, but I'll only really buy CD's.
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limeyrob
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 14:27 |
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Piracy is a problem. That's why this site is so good. Suggest to any labels/bands tuned in to use it. It has certainly improved my collection no end. I must have bought more than a 100 CDs since finding this site.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 14:47 |
Me too. My problem is that I don't have enough funds to buy many CD's, but have an appetite for new stuff, or stuff I've already got on vinyl. Some stuff is hard to find to buy anyway!
Come to that some of the stuff that we like here is hard to find P2P!
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ita_prog_fan
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 14:56 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Me too. My problem is that I don't have enough funds to buy many CD's, but have an appetite for new stuff, or stuff I've already got on vinyl. Some stuff is hard to find to buy anyway!
Come to that some of the stuff that we like here is hard to find P2P!
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Very Hard To Find P2P... and in a CD store TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Paradox
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:47 |
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Piracy is a two sided coin. It's a great way for people to get introduced to new/old music that they would probably never buy. Yes, a lot of people probably won't buy anything by those bands, but a lot of people will.
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gdub411
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Posted: May 25 2005 at 17:35 |
Paradox wrote:
Piracy is a two sided coin. It's a great way for people to get introduced to new/old music that they would probably never buy. Yes, a lot of people probably won't buy anything by those bands, but a lot of people will.
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