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Wiktor Hatif 
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Joined: February 09 2008 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 159 |
 Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:18 |
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I just want to say that czech republic, poland and slovakia are CENTRAL european countries, and romania, yugoslavia and croatia are SOUTH european. A little bit of geography doesn't hurt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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snobb
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:35 |
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Whenever PA is not a Geographical site, I think the use of Socio-political "Eastern Europe" is absolutely logical. We're speaking about music there (not about climat), and all this region countries has common progressive rock history because of Socialist repressions or even occupation |
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AbrahamSapien
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Joined: December 27 2009 Location: Slovenia Status: Offline Points: 181 |
Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:41 |
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And if you're starting a debate about geography: -Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore -Croatia once was part of EX YU, so why are you mentioning it separately? -At school we were taught, that SLO, a part of EX YU is a Central Europe country, but I agree with Snobb, that this doesn't really matter right now. |
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Wiktor Hatif
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Joined: February 09 2008 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 159 |
Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:43 |
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I know that this division is accurate while talking about past, but using it today makes a whole lot of people think that things are still that way in Europe. And later I hear people talking: oh, you're from poland? so you understand russian? - NO, I DO NOT UNDERSTAND A WORD OF THIS LANGUAGE :)
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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snobb
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:48 |
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I perfectly understand both.Prog has it's history, and its history is related with region history. So -I don't think one's political symphaties are enough serious reason for changing the history (Personally ,I don't like Russian language as well) 
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 13 2010 at 14:54 |
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Romania isn't a Southern European country by any stretch of imagination  |
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Wiktor Hatif
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Posted: July 13 2010 at 15:10 |
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I don't understand why not? Besides wikipedia (yeah I know, but other sources too) states that romania is Southeastern Europe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romania |
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Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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ko
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Posted: July 13 2010 at 15:33 |
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Nobody thinks that is still "that way" in Europe, but so many people in Eastern Europe are knowing that the fact is that some countries are really EX YU just because those countries never ever existed before Yougoslavia - those are Slovenia and Macedonia. So, this comparation with Poland and Russia is not seriosly, i guess  Edited by ko - July 13 2010 at 15:37 |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 13 2010 at 16:12 |
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There's a big difference between "Southern Europe" and "SouthEastern Europe". The former is Greece, Italy, Spain, Cyprus, Portugal, all those sunny countries washed by the sea. The latter is Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, the former Yugoslavia - the southern part of Eastern Europe (a term that is both geographical and political; Southern Europe is only a geographical term). |
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Wiktor Hatif
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Joined: February 09 2008 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 159 |
Posted: July 13 2010 at 16:34 |
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and I meant it geographicaly harmonium.ro as I don't really give a f*** about politics :D
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 14 2010 at 03:08 |
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Well, geographically Romania is 100% Eastern Europe. But you should know that Central Europe is also a historical/cultural term much more than a geographical term.
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Wiktor Hatif
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Joined: February 09 2008 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 159 |
Posted: July 14 2010 at 07:03 |
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I know that but I don't really like that :) Geography is much more interesting than history :)
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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Marty McFly
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Posted: July 14 2010 at 07:06 |
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All these countries, including Poland, are put together. I could have named it Eastern European / Central European / South-Eastern European / Baltic states / Balkan states, but that wouldn't fit into name limit category ? Besides it's pointless, most people will figure out. As far as I hear, Czech Republic is country that would be "the most Central Europe" country. It's sometimes dubbed as "heart" of Europe, but purpose of this thread isn't to discuss proper naming, or to conceive the best name for this thread. Purpose is to talk about music. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: July 14 2010 at 07:09 |
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^ Well, Wiktor will come and say that Geography is more interesting than music, so...
BTW, I am listening to Vladimir Misik & ETC (the album from 1976) and it's very good. Sounds so Western! There are even moments of Country and Southern Rock. Very intriguing. |
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Wiktor Hatif
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Joined: February 09 2008 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 159 |
Posted: July 14 2010 at 07:37 |
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I won't go that far harmonium.ro
 anyway, I tried lately Bijelo Dugme (yugoslavian band) I found on PA, but it turned out to be a pretty nice rock, but not really progressive... But I was surprised to see Goran Bregovic in members because I knew him from his present work, which is hmm... let's say he does duets with a minor polish pop stars, and the result of this work are hits played mostly during rural weddings |
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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snobb
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 20 2009 Location: Vilnius,LT,EU Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
Posted: July 14 2010 at 08:30 |
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Goran Bregovic was a member of Yugoslavian band Bijelo Dugme, and they were one of most popular band in former Yu in their time. His solo career later is different, but even now he is possibly most popular Balkan musician (with his Balkan/Gypsy orchestra). Not prog, but great music on its own manner. His works with some Polish good contemporary jazz musicians are quite good as well. In Polish rural weddings I often heard quite different music from Bregovic/Kayah. :) |
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Wiktor Hatif
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Joined: February 09 2008 Location: Poland Status: Offline Points: 159 |
Posted: July 14 2010 at 08:44 |
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"Racja brachu, wypijmy za to, kto z nami nie wypije tego we dwa kije"
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"Ffffaaahhh, seeko baaaaaa
Neeeeee toe, kare lo yeahhh Sa sa sa sa saa! Fssss Drrrrrrrrr bo ki! Rapateeka! do go taaaam Rapateeka! do go tchaa" - "Atom Heart Mother" Pink Floyd/Ron Geesin |
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ko
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Joined: November 09 2009 Status: Offline Points: 314 |
Posted: July 15 2010 at 12:08 |
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ko
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Posted: July 16 2010 at 10:41 |
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snobb
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Posted: July 16 2010 at 10:45 |
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^ Yes, nice Serbian heavy fusion band. They're presented on PA yet
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