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    Posted: April 04 2010 at 18:46
So, I've been think about this for a long time, but didn't want to be laughed at.  Do people think there's a case for Morricone in Prog-Related (skip to The Feed-back now if you like)?

Here's a few Morricone vids to get people started (the first vid is from the gloriously psychedelic year, 1968):










And since Oldfield is in whose Tubular Bells is the Exorcist theme, how about Morricone's Exorcist 2 theme?



 
Anyway, I doubt this site is ready for Morricone yet, but how about The Feed-back which features Ennio Morricone? Now this I think deserves a place as a JRF  (after absorbing the album more, Krautrock or Avant is more appropriate -- sorry was rather too new to me when I suggested it and wasn't thinking) album.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jlpOqg6zsI (edit, embedding disabled, I should always check those when posting so a URL instead)

1970 Feedback   1 7
 
 
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It's really a contunuation of Gruppo Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza (which features the amazing Egisto Macchi)

albums.push('tr410165');albums.push('tr309868');albums.push('tr410166');albums.push('tr410167');albums.push('tr331946');albums.push('tr410169');albums.push('tr410171');albums.push('tr87915');
1966 Gruppo d'Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza  
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1967 The Private Sea of Dreams [as Il Gruppo] 2 issues 2 29
 
 
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1969 Improvisationen   2 7
 
 
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1970 The Feed-Back [as The Group]  
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1973 Improvvisazioni a formazioni variate  
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1973 Nuova Consonanza  
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1975 Gruppo d'Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza 2 2 issues
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1976 Musica su schemi 5 issues
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2000 Appears on: Gli occhi freddi della paura (1971) [Ennio Morricone] 2 issues 1 22
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 12:50
Sorry to bump this, but I'd love to get some Feed-back.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 13:50
I'll check this asap Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 26 2010 at 14:45
Thanks, and I can make more music available for The Feed-back to interested parties.

I'm actually very surprised that this topic didn't get a reaction since I would have thought a suggestion of Ennio Morricone for PA would provoke response (wouldn't expect the same level of feedback for The Feed-back from the general  PA community)..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 04:18
Thanks for reminding me of this suggestion Smile
 
I think he was an inspiration to the proto-prog movement (Emerson comes to mind) but that doesn't qualify for inclusion (although prog-related could be an option?).
 
Is he proto-prog or prog-related?
 
I wouldn't be comfortable placing him in proto-prog so perhaps prog-related is the proper place for him?.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 05:01
The Feed -Back is interesting suggestion, but (besides of its Italian origin) sounds more as krautrock, than JRF for me
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 07:27
The EM samples are very nice (The Devil Is A Woman sounds so Zeuhl! LOL), the question would be "how much of his output is like that?" The Feed-back sample was fabulous, and it does sound krautrock-ish indeed. Maybe Psyche-prog would be their best home on PA?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 27 2010 at 12:00
To be honest, I don't know why I automatically suggested The Feed-back for JRF (I think I had only just got the album when I quickly suggested it here without listening properly).  I was thinking about putting a different track on youtube (there are only three tracks).  It's experimental (pretty avant), utilises improv, has a significant jazz component, but also a psych element with Krautrock qualities for sure.  I think it might be fine for Avant. Pysch I wouldn't see it in.

It did remind me of various psych (or cosmic) jazz-rock pieces (even has a track called "Quasar" and so maybe that got me associating more with Mwandishi styled music but I do find similarities with such stuff, though this is less polished).

As for Morricone, I think he has a fair amount of music like his "The Devil is a Woman" (aka Il Sorriso del Grande Tentatore).

Incidentally, this from Once Upon a Time in the West (1968) is one of my favourites of his.  Great stuff, imo (had meant to include that vid in my initial post):




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2010 at 19:57
Here's another The Feed-back track.  If the Krautrock or Avant teams are interested, I can provide more music.

http://musicophiliadaily.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/audio-the-feed-back-kumalo-1970/
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2010 at 20:02
Wondering: doesn't a band have to be from Germany to be Krautrock?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2010 at 20:06
No.  It's not just regional; it involves a sound and approach that can be fit for bands/artists hailing from other countries..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2010 at 21:03
Alrighty.

I'm 100% in favour of Morricone having a place on the site, but of course my opinion doesn't really matter when it comes to that.  I'll check out that Feed-Back too, looks very interesting
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 03:39
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Here's another The Feed-back track.  If the Krautrock or Avant teams are interested, I can provide more music.

http://musicophiliadaily.wordpress.com/2009/03/04/audio-the-feed-back-kumalo-1970/
 
Sounds pretty Avant to me - with a World Music flavour.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 04:54
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Thanks for reminding me of this suggestion Smile
 
I think he was an inspiration to the proto-prog movement (Emerson comes to mind) but that doesn't qualify for inclusion (although prog-related could be an option?).
 
Is he proto-prog or prog-related?
 
I wouldn't be comfortable placing him in proto-prog so perhaps prog-related is the proper place for him?.


I got about 30-40 full-on progalbums by Morricone covering Protoprog/RIO/Avant (loads), Jazzrock-Fusion, Psychedelic-Spacerock/Symphonic and Krautrock (& postrock)... But he's got 5-600 titles that's not related to any kind of Prog, so I don't know.


Feed Back/Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza (same band) is a composer collective with Morricone as one of many profilic  members. The most natural place would be Krautrock og RIO/Avant.

Check out these:

Gruppo di Improvvisazione Nuova Consonanza
Seguita, Notte E Misteri, Folle Folle
(from Gli Occhi Freddi Della Paura/Cold Eyes of Fear)

There's about a dozen italian soundtrack/library-composers that have a handful of more prog releases. (Stelvio Cipriani, Bruno Nicolai, Giorgio Gaslini, Egisto Macchi, Riz Ortolani, Fabio Frizzi, Armando Trovaioli, Nico Fidenco mm...)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 12:51
^ Awesome! I was hoping you'd respond to this topic as you know far more than I. And that MorriconeRocks has posted a lot of great stuff on youtube.

Thanks to all for your posts and interest. Every post matters (unless people are misinformed). I think Morricone has a really strong case for PA both due to his music and he's influenced many in progressive rock, but there have been concerns about including soundtrack/ library music composers even if the music fits. I support having such composers in PA (but even if Morricone were accepted, the prospect of preparing such an addition is scary and would be good to have a few people working on it).

At the least, I hope this leads to more people discovering Morricone (well, I guess most here would know some Morricone, but more and different Morricone) and related artists such as Egisto Macchi (really appreciate the recommendation before of Macchi).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2010 at 16:05
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2010 at 14:18
Don't know if you had the chance to listen to the samples Marty, but I'd appreciate your impressions on the music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2010 at 20:14
IMO a good call for Avant same goes for Feed-Back
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2010 at 21:37
Thanks for the feed-back, Chris. Big smile

I mentioned The Feed-back/ Gruppo d'improvvisazione... to the Avant team with a link to this thread this morning, and I hope both The Feedback and Morricone can find a place ere too long (though I rather expect Morricone will take much longer to find its way into PA -- huge discography --, and I wonder how much of Gruppo will have to be evaluated since The Feed-back, though it could have a separate listing, is a Gruppo... project).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2010 at 00:58
^ Greg, judging by the albums for Morricone you highlighted ( 3 or 4 out of 80?) he has a place here. Perception should never punish reasonWink
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