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Bryan 
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Posted: April 29 2004 at 19:03 |
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I think they deserve to be added. They were, in my opinion, one of the first prog bands. Any thoughts?
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Carl floyd fan
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Posted: April 30 2004 at 11:43 |
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They had more influence on punk and experimental/noise rock than anything. I don't really think they are prog. If they are, than sonic youth and the flaming lips should be added as well.
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Bryan
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Posted: April 30 2004 at 19:02 |
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It's true that they inspired punk in the way that they showed you didn't have to be a great musician to be in a great band, as well as their rebellious attitude, but their style I think leans towards prog, or at least art rock. Just my opinion though, and if you don't consider them prog worthy, that's fine.
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philippe
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Posted: May 01 2004 at 04:43 |
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I love this band...but no you can't say it should be added to progarchives...this is experimental noisy music, pre punk style...it depends also of your definition of prog.
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Carl floyd fan
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Posted: May 03 2004 at 02:10 |
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Yeah, I like this band a lot too, don't get me wrong
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Peter
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 00:12 |
 I agree with VU's greatness and importance, but wouldn't support their inclusion here.
 The line between what bands/artists merit inclusion on such a site as the Archives must be drawn somewhere, or the name and original intent of the site becomes meaningless.
On a similar note, too much metal here (no offence to the music, or the musicians - I like a lot of classic metal, and some of the new stuff) will attract too many loutish, rude, opinionated, disfunctional, angry young metal-heads. (Go check out the "dialogue" on some metal forums -- you'll soon see what I mean! When those guys take over, I'm out of here! (I speak from experience -- many of you know to what I'm referring!)
That's my opinion, thanks. Important topic!
Edited by Peter Rideout
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Bryan
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 00:15 |
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Alright, it's official. No VU for this site. I was just listening to Sister Ray when I made that post, and I thought "hey, this is proggy".
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Peter
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Posted: May 04 2004 at 00:31 |
 Yeah, I often have moments like that with great music, Bryan!
(My word is not official, by any means though -- just one man's considered opinion.)
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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Trickster F.
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 14:59 |
 Peter Rideout wrote:
On a similar note, too much metal here (no offence to the music, or the musicians - I like a lot of classic metal, and some of the new stuff) will attract too many loutish, rude, opinionated, disfunctional, angry young metal-heads. (Go check out the "dialogue" on some metal forums -- you'll soon see what I mean! When those guys take over, I'm out of here! (I speak from experience -- many of you know to what I'm referring!) |
Two years before... Mr. Rideout predicted the coming of IVANSFR0ST! 
-- Ivan
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Raff
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 15:29 |
But if you're one of the nicest people here... At first I couldn't believe how young you were. What would we do without our favourite Black Metal fan?  BTW, I support Peter's opinion 100%. Either we create a section for non-prog bands who have prog elements and/or have influenced prog in some way, or we have to draw a line somewhere. Otherwise the addition of Duran Duran will not be that far off... 
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Trickster F.
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Posted: July 05 2006 at 16:05 |
You are too nice to me, Raffella, I truly do not deserve this!
Funny how you agreed with Peter 2 years after his post. 
-- Ivan
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Raff
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 02:41 |
Ivan, I've been a teacher for 15 years, and I've seen no shortage of ill-mannered young people (I still see quite a lot of them whenever I go out). You're simply not one of them - apart from having a command of English that I, as a linguist, am simply amazed at. As to replying two years later... well, as the saying goes, better late than never!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 03:15 |
VU is a very important and influential band and/but even if there are evident minimalism traits to their music , I do not think that their inclusion should be considered further than the odd thread as this one.
If Nico and John Cale will do some very interesting works (John Cale's collab with Terry Riley in the Chruch Of Anthrax album is certainly worth the inclusion and 5* in the archives), VU is too closely linked with Lou Reed, and to qualify his solo work as progressive would create controversy the PA do not need.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Bryan
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Posted: July 06 2006 at 04:03 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
create a section for non-prog bands who have prog elements and/or have influenced prog in some way |
Prog-related/proto-prog?
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