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WalterDigsTunes 
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 Posted: May 26 2010 at 00:19 |
 rpe9p wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
One guy is always asleep at the wheel and only plucks a note every eighteen seconds. The other one plays his instrument. No contest here.
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and gilmour gets more emotion from that one note than page does in a whole song |
"OH HAI GUYZ! I'M HOLDING A NOTE! I'M EMOTIONAL" What a boring cliche.
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EatThatPhonebook
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JLocke
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 02:44 |
This is funny, my father and I have recently been discussing Mr. Page. My dad thinks he's in the top five guitarists of all time. I disagree. We both know that he's great, but one of the greatest ever? At least on a personal level, he doesn't fit that description for me. Now Mr. Gilmour, on the other hand, he has moved me and inspired me in ways that I could never describe in words. He's just a better composer, and he's one of the best emotional players I've heard. His guitars wail and howl with almost human-like rawness, while Jimmy Page can play a mean solo, but lacks something in comparison.
Plus, this is a prog site. We tend to like Gilmour more by default.  |
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Any Colour You Like
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 02:46 |
"OH HAI GUYZ I'M PLAYING REELY FAST AND I'M PLAYIN MORE THAN ONE NOTEZ LOOK AT MEEEE" What a boring cliche.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 03:58 |
 But I love David with a passion.
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boo boo
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 08:25 |
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The one who didn't steal any riffs. |
Hmm, can you drop another hint? Since that doesn't apply to either.
Page didn't steal riffs, Plant stole lyrics (something every blues singer did), sheesh.
Yes I'm aware that Moby Dick sounds like that Bobby Parker song as well as a hundred other rock songs in existance, lets not confuse lifting with stealing as that's something essentially every blues based rock band did all the time, including Pink Floyd.
The only other "stolen" riff I can think of is the fast middle part of Lemon Song that was clearly taken from Howlin Wolf's Killing Floor. But he took that riff and made it... awesomer.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 08:43 |
Any Colour You Like wrote:
"OH HAI GUYZ I'M PLAYING REELY FAST AND I'M PLAYIN MORE THAN ONE NOTEZ LOOK AT MEEEE"
What a boring cliche.
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You're arguing like little kids.
They are both cliches that work, and to be fair, these cliches weren't really cliches until these players popularized them.
It's really stupid I think to say "this guitarist is better because he plays with more emotion", like how would you even know that? What's the criteria for playing with emotion? How do you know emotion is being put into it? By the funny faces the player makes live? Or by the method of playing?
What Gilmour does is a very calculated technique, you don't have to play with emotion to do what Gilmour does and while Gilmour is one of my favorite players, the idea that he plays with more emotion than everyone else is a myth.
Page plays fast and loose and with aggression and spontaneity and if anything he seems to put more emotion into what he does than Gilmour, and in fact every punk guitarist ever seems to invest more emotion into what he does than Gilmour. Gilmour is just an amazing technician, he's good enough to manipulate you emotionally with a solo that he probably wrote in 30 seconds while in the john. Not to mention how he recreates all his solos live without any variation. The man is like a computer.
But I don't care, I'm not gonna judge music by how much emotion I THINK was put into it, because I don't really know, I listen to music for music. Weither any passion was put into it or not, good music is good music. If someone can do a good job of pretending to play with passion, then that's good enough. Musicians are performers, not poets.
I can't choose a favorite but they're both way up there. These two have nothing in common other than playing for the two biggest bands of the 70s. You can only choose by preference, you can't prove that one is better than the other.
Though if I had a nickel for everytime some shredhead douche tried to prove that Steve Vai was better than everyone else I would be pretty wealthy.
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No Quarter from The Song Remains The Same simply struck me more tham almost anything I've heard before.
Gilmour is great, but he just can't match some certain Jimmy's moments.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 09:36 |
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David Gilmour, obviously.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 12:15 |
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Two favorite guitarists... Ever... Why can't we just morph them?
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 12:17 |
Any Colour You Like wrote:
"OH HAI GUYZ I'M PLAYING REELY FAST AND I'M PLAYIN MORE THAN ONE NOTEZ LOOK AT MEEEE"
What a boring cliche.
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Could u guyz stop ur making me upset 
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boo boo
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 12:19 |
Also I shouldn't say Gilmour doesn't put emotion into what he does, again how can you judge such a thing?
I only meant to say that he uses an age old technique to make a song sound emotional, it's a kind of musical special effect if you will. Nothing wrong with that either. Music is an inherently manipulative form of art. I don't care how sincere the musician is, and I have no way of knowing. All that should matter is the quality of the music itself.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 12:47 |
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I don't know if Gilmour can be said to be a technically btter guitarist than Page, but I certainly prefer his style.
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WalterDigsTunes
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 12:59 |
boo boo wrote:
What Gilmour does is a very calculated technique, you don't have to play with emotion to do what Gilmour does and while Gilmour is one of my favorite players, the idea that he plays with more emotion than everyone else is a myth.
Page plays fast and loose and with aggression and spontaneity and if anything he seems to put more emotion into what he does than Gilmour, and in fact every punk guitarist ever seems to invest more emotion into what he does than Gilmour. Gilmour is just an amazing technician, he's good enough to manipulate you emotionally with a solo that he probably wrote in 30 seconds while in the john. Not to mention how he recreates all his solos live without any variation. The man is like a computer.
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Cliches plus repetition equals... yawn.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 13:14 |
If I had a band and a lot of money I'd hire Page for rhythm guitars as Gilmour as soloist. That is if I couldn't get Alex Lifeson 
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 13:49 |
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Gilmour. Neither is a great technician, both are good guitarists, but I prefer how Gilmour's solos fit the music more than I do Page's
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boo boo
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 14:14 |
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Gilmour. Neither is a great technician |
Maybe not as technical performers but they are as composers and arrangers. Page's greatest talent is his producing. And Gilmour's is his abillity to make every note work.
Page is the sloppy one but that's part of his appeal.
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 19:12 |
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Each of them was the best man for the job they did, but let's face it guys: Led Zep is a band that is far more based on the guitar, and therefore Page plays a more significant role in his band
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Posted: May 26 2010 at 21:28 |
Atavachron wrote:
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The one who didn't steal any riffs.
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As for Page's "stealing", he and Zeppelin contributed to the blues more than they stole from it. |
I don't see how that justifies it. If it weren't for Page's stealing, Led Zeppelin wouldn't even get the opportunity to "contribute" to the blues in the first place.
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