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Marty McFly
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Posted: June 11 2010 at 17:44 |
^ This is only 1/2 of posts I wrote in this thread, I explained it further in second one. Torodd, you know that I usually agree with you. Of course, we write reviews (and I know this very well, after all, I write reviews too because I want them to be read). But many people simply follow rating system, because it's less time consuming. They believe our opinion and our choice of stars. So when they see 2.2 rating, they (and I already wrote this) won't be interested in this album. They won't read reviews (often), they just won't look at it. Technical Death Metal is good example actually. Everyone loves symphonic. Or at least most of people here. But I met many, really many people who hated Death Metal because of how it sounds. That it's too harsh, too unfriendly, unpleasant, whatever you call it. It's just for fans of this genre. But such album gets 4.1 average rating, because a lot of our collaborators / reviewers are fans of Technical Death Metal genre. I'm not happy about using this old example, because I don't have anything against this genre at all, but it should serve its purpose. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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toroddfuglesteg
Forum Senior Member Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: June 11 2010 at 17:10 |
I disagree. Both myself and Umur has described the music very well on each album and put it into the right genre. So if your general preference is Neo-Prog, you are less likely to choose these albums by Anata than I am likely to ever walk on water even if I gave that Anata album five stars. If you like the type of music described by me and Umur for that Anata album, you are much more likely to purchase that album instead of a Marillion album rated 5. This is why I am never that bothered about the 1-5 stars rating when I read others reviews. I am just interested in what type of music this album contains. If the music is within what the parameters of my personal preferences, I am likely to purchase that album. But as a reviewer, I agonize a lot about what star I should give that and that album. That's the difference between reviewing and reading a review. I think too many are too much occupied by stars and ratings instead of really reading what the reviewer writes. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - June 11 2010 at 17:14 |
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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: June 11 2010 at 16:52 |
^ Even in thread about Anata, I'm not talking just about Anata. In general, this is huge issue that not everyone realizes. Look on this Pineapple Thief new album. It was in top5 briefly, on first place I think. Just for few days, but it was there. This is because fanboys worked here, gave it good reviews. Than came regular, old school reviewers and gave it rather sober ratings. Regulars and fanboys are both important, because they make fine average. Otherwise, when album is reviewed just by those whom I call regulars, this album is doomed by extremely low rating. And that's not fair, because when compared to album when ALSO fanboys worked, this album fails in charts. |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
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lucas
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Posted: June 11 2010 at 16:15 |
I doubt prog fans would be intereted in a rather uninspired death metal band.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Marty McFly
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2009 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 3968 |
Posted: June 11 2010 at 15:39 |
Even I respect other's opinion in reviews, having all four albums with average of 2.2 ratings, that's not good and almost everyone will turn away without interesting in this band when seeing this. Why to go for 2.2 album, when there is far more of 4.2 albums to taste :-/ Where are fanboys, when one needs them ? They usually counterweights more "professional" opinion of Prog Reviewers who are used to review (left column). |
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There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"
-Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: June 11 2010 at 14:31 |
I'm going to say I just have to hate them because I've never listened to anything and don't know who the hell they are. I am of course all knowing and all listening and so they must be really really bad even though I've never heard them.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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toroddfuglesteg
Forum Senior Member Retired Joined: March 04 2008 Location: Retirement Home Status: Offline Points: 3658 |
Posted: June 11 2010 at 13:50 |
An interview with Anata is coming up, btw. My rating of Anata is simply due to the small issue that I have simply changed my musical preferences during the last ten years. Less Anata, more Soft Machine. Neither do I find Anata as exciting as I did ten years ago when I gave their first albums four and five stars. But I would still recommend Anata to all metalheads. In this respect, I agree with your views. Edited by toroddfuglesteg - June 11 2010 at 13:56 |
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avalanchemaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 730 |
Posted: June 11 2010 at 07:55 |
yeah, I suppose it could have been much worse. I was astounded to find all the albums to have two stars. With that in mind, there is no possible way that all of the albums are really that bad- every single one of them!?! Perhaps I should review them myself. I have been guilty of not using time to actually write reviews, and merely leaving star ratings. However, I do think Anata deserve accolades for their last three albums. They have their own flavor in a genre which is rather stale if you ask me. I don't find it to their detriment that they switch it up tempo-wise and move around a lot. You know them when you hear them, and that is the point I am trying to make. But people have their own opinions, so I am not mad or anything, just wowed...
They have a certain freewheeling and derailed train sound that is chaotic and enjoyable for me; most death metal bands follow the same old formula; in this case, Anata truly could be called "thinking man's metal".... they even have some interesting lyrical concepts. I urge all lovers of tech/extreme prog metal to give them a listen.... |
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Logan
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Posted: June 10 2010 at 22:23 |
I was expecting a band with a lot of haters when I saw the topic title, rather than meaning two reviewers' reviews.
I'd never heard of the band Anata, but I see that Umur and Toroddfuglesteg are the only ones to have reviewed their albums. 2 stars is not really bad, it's less than good, but I wouldn't think those reviewers are feeling The Infernal Depths Of Hatred for Anata based on the reviews (or hate, even). Maybe you should write some reviews yourself. Your ratings for the band's albums range from 3 stars to 5 stars, and at least there's only star difference between your rating for The Infernal Depths of Hatred and their ratings with reviews. I do find it surprising that they both had consistent 2 star ratings right across the albums -- haven't noticed that happen before with a band. Edited by Logan - June 10 2010 at 22:33 |
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Just a fanboy passin' through.
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avalanchemaster
Forum Senior Member Joined: March 02 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 730 |
Posted: June 10 2010 at 21:59 |
seriously, two stars for every single album? with only 4 ratings, the albums go down into the twos? Man, I have to disagree with the reviews here....
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