What's with all the Anata hate?

toroddfuglesteg wrote: avalanchemaster wrote: MAVIII:   There is no need to campaign against art because it does not fill you with excitement.  You are accusing me for campaigning against Anata ??  That is, to put it as nice as possible, horse manure. Not to mention; a lie and slander. And frankly, you are discrediting Anata with your rant.

I never accused YOU (it's a blanket statement towards people in general- who feel the need to squash what they hate and fear or merely dislike) of campaigning against anything.  Some do so just to show their ire though.  I'm not mad, merely bemused by people's dichotomous ratings on here... Just because I state things rather seriously does not mean I am flaming or hating.  But then, it's hard to tell without personal face-to-face interaction.....or emoticons... I guess I am using this as an example of the site at large; as someone already stated:  fanboys vs. haters.  Nothing has been directed at you as mudslinging.  And you should be able to separate one guy's take on a notion from the artwork he is talking about.  (i.e., my statements should in no way discredit a band....because if that were the case, I could safely assume that you are giving the picture in your avatar a discredit -for example-, or any further railings against something on your part is means for discrediting it.)  Would you (or anyone) start hating a certain classical (or any musical) artist you previously enjoyed, merely because you found out Hitler sponsored them?  Or what if someone else who offends you claimed to like something you enjoyed- would you start to knee-jerk hate it?  (Go back and read my statement re: critics...) I would hope that you can separate the art from the artist.  Lord knows that there are several musicians out there who are dickheads but their music is lovable (to some- once again an opinion). 

This was not intended as a flame war.  I thought I made it pretty clear what I was mulling over.  Pardon me for typing my thoughts!!!???    Seems like others are more concerned with flaming me and picking apart everything I have typed, analyzing it to the very last thread... ANALyzing... message boards, oh how they keep people divided... We're all guilty of keyboard jockying...

funny; how no matter which side you start a thread on (in favor or opposed to something), there will always be derision and opposition- almost for its own sake!  As if people needed desperately to prove something!
Are we really that grumpy and quick to jump at each other?  shame.

I really don't think you should complain about hate for a band with so few reviewers. These reviewers just happen to be people who don't like the band. I'm sure there is tons of people here who like Anata but just never thought of reviewing or have never heard but would like if they did. I wouldn't base something on such a small group of opinions.

Edited by DT-PT - June 15 2010 at 21:30

Avalanchemaster.

I get your point and I accept it. But for the record: I am one of very few people who has written about Anata i mainstream media. I have interviewed them on two occasions. I have reviewed their albums many times. There is a lot of bands I really like. Anata is one of them. But I no longer like their music. I am always, always reviewing music on it's own merits and not on the merit of friendships or personal fondness or even hatred towards the musicians. The same goes for other things in life. One of my best friends is a convicted terrorist and a murderer. I abhor what he did in a conflict which is now over, but I like he as a person.

The whole point is: Always make a distinction between "he/she is" and "he/she does".  

....... and I can see that you share this view/I share your view. Excellent !

 

MAVIII,
Damn man, you are right on the money with what you call that "rant".  I enjoy your passion and zeal for life, in spite of whatever problems you may have in it.  I agree wholeheartedly that the "I am right, you are wrong" deal has gone too far.  Perhaps I contributed to that unfortunate exchange.  It's sad that most people rely on that as a survival mechanism.  I realized last night after going through the responses throughout the whole thread, mine and others (and as I was later driving on a 3 lane main street- with people competitively roaring past each other- riding each other's asses in their cars- blasting their music) that most people need to be left alone to be safe in their insecurity (hey, I'm trying to be conscious of it myself!).  It's insecurity that motivates us to prove to everyone else that they are wrong and that we are the only correct ones.  I have tried to communicate in a manner that points out the fact that my posts are only my opinions, even though I have gotten caught up in going back and forth; yet I feel I did it without being a real jerk.... guess we need to take the bait less.  What it comes down to is things can get carried away really fast and misinterpreted or just picked apart because online interactions tend to be like scavenging parties for online buzzards- where people live to pick you apart.
We all are at this site for many commonalities.  Let's try to keep it civil please.

After what I have experienced on this message board several times and even in this thread, I have stopped subscriptions to many threads because of these things that make online interactions so relentless and cold.  I even considered deleting this whole thread, it has become just another exercise in futility- whether on my part or all other parties involved- even though there have been some great lines to read... It's always a learning experience....

when all else fails, just be an ass....

the funny thing is that you are getting mad over nothing but words and differences.  And the attacks at intelligence are rather relative, comical, and just juvenile.

This is why I hate most metalheads, because they are generally pretty quick-tempered and myopic.


Edited by avalanchemaster - June 16 2010 at 21:37