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frippertronik 
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 21:41 |
is a good comedian, but his music... 
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NetsNJFan
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:10 |
moments of brillian, but way to much chaff.
i'd say a 1:4 ratio
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Hangedman
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:17 |
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Ask me a month ago id say just a comedian. But I heard 'Hot Rats' and while not genius, its really great musically.
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Astaroth
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:20 |
Frank Zappa is GOD!! 
seriuosly ... I think that his music is awesome, he's (was) just a geniuos ...but his music is very hard to diggest at the begining.
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"I need you more that you can know ... and if I hurt myself it's just for show"
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:23 |
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Genius
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
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Poxx
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:24 |
He should definitely have kept his mouth shut more often. Its a shame that he put so much weight on vocals and lyrics, when he was such a master on the guitar. Although he did put it to good use with the 'Shut Up 'N Player Yer Guitar' series, 'Guitar', etc.
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bluetailfly
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:29 |
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Being a comedian and being a genius are not mutually exclusive...
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MANTICORE
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Posted: June 02 2005 at 22:37 |
Wow.! for my Frank zappa is a musical genius by three things
1. - Music very advanced for its time (1966 Freak out its first album while The Beatles invention released his "REVOLVER" Zappa towards of hers with this great debut of Mothers of invention.
2.-musical genius, composed all its complex suites wise to read music, in addition to being a exelent it interprets of the guitar.
3. - Albunes removed to market at least 2 to the year.
Well and by all this I consider to the Master zappa a genius!  
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Cinema
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 01:49 |
I've never understood the whole Zappa thing. I view most of his music as little more than novelty tunes. I know that'll rub folks the wrong way, but like I said, I just don't get Zappa ... and I've really tried to get it. 
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Tommy
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:13 |
COMMEDIAN, well at least his music's a joke 
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Blacksword
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:21 |
A brilliant musician, but I agree with NetsNJFan. Moments of brilliance, but a little too much 'chaf'
I've heard Zappa tracks that blow me away, but an equal amount of material that just frustrates me. One minute he's playing the most brilliant rock/blues riff against a backdrop of intricate jazz, then in a split second there's screaming, whistles blowing and some anecdote about a hooker felating a republican..or something. It gets a little too much for me at times.
He has so many albums, and I have heard probably a quarter of them. I like Hot Ratz and The Grand Wazoo. Of those I've heard, they are the best Zappa albums IMO.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Certif1ed
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 03:28 |
Comic genius?
I must admit that I find some of his humour decidedly not funny at all, and some of the more extreme music to be completely unlistenable (and I've heard some way out stuff in my time  ).
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When Zappa gets it right, it can be unbelievably brilliant, bitingly satirical and just downright good stuff!
My favourites of his are "We're Only In It For The Money" and "Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch".
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radiognome3
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:02 |
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Genius. Period.
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Vive Gong!
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:04 |
Both 
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:05 |
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Guitar genius at least!
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:07 |
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Zappa is even included in classically oriented music encyclopedias; that should tell you something.
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Manunkind
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:13 |
 NetsNJFan wrote:
moments of brillian, but way to much chaff.
i'd say a 1:4 ratio
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I'd say a 4:1 ratio
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krauthead
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:42 |
He's mostly a comedian and i have 20 some albums with him, the music is great i just wish he was more serious and left all the jokes maybe even the lyrics, what a trip that would be 
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:46 |
A genious AND a comedian.....there's no conflict between the two, quite the opposite, I would say 
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Manunkind
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Posted: June 03 2005 at 07:50 |
flowerchild wrote:
A genious AND a comedian.....there's no conflict between the two, quite the opposite, I would say |
 very well said, too many people think one preculdes the other.
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