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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 17:42
Wish You Were Here- Pink Floyd, duh, pals...

Terria - Devin Townsend, For pushing the boundaries of post metal

Blade runner OST - Vangelis, for setting the bar on progressive soundtrack music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 04:39
Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:


Here's three important albums from the Prog Electronic SceneTangerine Dream - Phaedra (set the bar for sequencer use)Brian Eno & David Byrne - My Life In The Bush of Ghosts (set the bar for sampling)Kraftwerk - Autobahn (somehow, Ralf and Florian score a dance club hit and invent techno while also being quite progressive)I second the request to catalog all entries into the original post.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 05:24
Embryo - Embryo's Reise.

The album which created a genre which today is known as "World Music" about twenty years before it became a fad.


Edited by BaldFriede - July 28 2010 at 05:25


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 05:38
Three essentials which don't seem to have been mentioned so afr are:

Comus - First Utterance
Faust - Faust
Samla Mammas Manna - Maltid
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 07:37
Van der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts
Colosseum - Valentyne Suite  
Santana - Caravanserai
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 08:02
MY TOP 20 including 2nd and 3rd choices for each artist
 
1 AYREON - The Human Equation (2nd TIMELINE; 3RD IN THE ELECTRIC CASTLE)
2 PINK FLOYD - The Wall (2ND DARK SIDE OF THE MOON; 3RD WISH YOU WERE HERE; 4TH PULSE)
3 VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR - Pawn Hearts (2ND H TO HE WHO AM THE ONLY ONE; 3RD GODBLUFF; 4TH VITAL)
4 RUSH - Moving Pictures (2ND FAREWELL TO KINGS; 3RD HEMISPHERES; 4TH Permanent Waves )
5 YES - Fragile (2ND CLOSE TO THE EDGE; 3RD TALES OF TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS; 4TH RELAYER)
6 DREAM THEATER - Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory (2nd OCTAVARIUM; 3rd BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS)
7 EMERSON LAKE & PALMER- Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends (2nd BRAIN SALAD SURGERY; 3rd TARKUS)
8 GENESIS - Foxtrot (2ND NURSERY CRYME; 3RD SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND; 4TH TRICK OF THE TAIL)
9 KING CRIMSON - In The Court Of The Crimson King (2ND RED; 3RD DISCIPLINE)
10 HAWKWIND - Space Ritual (2nd IN SEARCH OF SPACE; 3rd IN THE HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL)
11 QUEENSRYCHE - Operation: Mindcrime (2ND OPERATION LIVECRIME)
12 ATOMIC ROOSTER - DEATH WALKS BEHIND YOU (2ND IN HEARING OF; 3RD MADE IN ENGLAND)
13 THE BEATLES - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (2nd WHITE ALBUM, 3rd REVOLVER)
14 JETHRO TULL - Thick As A Brick (2nd 25TH ANNIVERSARY COLLECTION; 3RD AQUALUNG)
15 KRAFTWERK - The Man-Machine (Die Mensch-Maschine) (2ND COMPUTER WORLD; 3RD MINIMUM: MAXIMUM)
16 NEKTAR - A Tab In The Ocean (2ND REMEMBER THE FUTURE; 3RD BACK TO EARTH)
17 CAMEL - Mirage (2ND MOONMADNESS; 3RD CAMEL)
18 PORCUPINE TREE - Deadwing (2ND FEAR OF A BLANK PLANET; 3RD THE INCIDENT)
19 RIVERSIDE - Anno Domini High Definition (2ND SECOND LIFE SYNDROME; 3RD RAPID EYE MOVEMENT)
20 CARAVAN - IN THE LAND OF GREY AND PINK (2ND FOR GIRLS WHO GROW PLUM IN THE NIGHT; 3RD AND THE NEW SYMPHONIA)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 19:38
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by Captain Clutch Captain Clutch wrote:

MDK,
Tago Mago,
Radio Gnome Invisible (that counts as one album, right?)

You didn't read the original rules, you're supposed to stick to albums that hadn't already been mentioned.


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Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

Three essentials which don't seem to have been mentioned so afr are:

Comus - First Utterance
Faust - Faust
Samla Mammas Manna - Maltid


He took 2 of the 3 new ones I was going to submit


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 19:52
You only need to replace one - only Tago Mago had been mentioned before you. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 19:54
Well, hell, let's make it Tanz Der Lemminge then.  Just on a whim, which is all I did in the first place anyway

I like how we both agreed that there's no way you could have a canon without an example from the Canterbury scene, Magma, and Krautrock


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 20:14
Originally posted by Captain Clutch Captain Clutch wrote:

Well, hell, let's make it Tanz Der Lemminge then.  Just on a whim, which is all I did in the first place anyway

I like how we both agreed that there's no way you could have a canon without an example from the Canterbury scene, Magma, and Krautrock

Yeah, they're all essential.  I wanted to include something RIO/Avant too (maybe Henry Cow's Legend, for example), but there just wasn't enough space.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 20:22
Well my eyesight ain't what it used to be, but I see nary a sign of Arthur Brown here.  Either Crazy World or Galactic Zoo Dossier (or realistically both) belong in any comprehensive prog discography.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 20:25
Obvious ones:
 
Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn/A Saucerful of Secrets
Miles Davis - In a Silent Way/Bitches Brew
Arthur Brown - The Crazy World of Arthur Brown (EDIT: I've been beaten!)
Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame
 
All, unquestionably, essential Proto-Prog/Jazz Rock albums, not necessarily meaning they're masterpieces.
 
By the way, I'm afraid to say that the list is already flawed, some of the albums that have been proposed just seem to be favorites by fans of certain groups: Octavarium. Also, you can't have DSOTM and WYWH by Floyd in a same list, keep with one. Anyway, as far as I understood the process, it'll later be edited, right?
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 20:38
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Also, you can't have DSOTM and WYWH by Floyd in a same list, k


yes you can, they're very different
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 21:35

I'm going to do what I know... METAL

Edge Of Sanity - Crimson
Opeth - Ghost Reveries
Devin Townsend - Terria
Maudlin Of The Well - Bath
Green Carnation - Light of Day, Day Of Darkness
Cult Of Luna - Somewhere Along The Highway
Agalloch - The Mantle
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 22:00
Originally posted by Captain Clutch Captain Clutch wrote:

Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Also, you can't have DSOTM and WYWH by Floyd in a same list, k


yes you can, they're very different
 
Yeah I know, but that's not the point. The point is selecting essential albums that show the development of Prog Rock, I don't think that having DSotM and WYWH is logical. Personally, I would put DSotM, it's the most commercially succesful a Prog band (having not turned to Pop) ever experienced, and yet it's very innovating.
 
Mind you, I do think WYWH is essential for Prog Rock fans, but for this specific list I would not put it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 28 2010 at 23:36
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

 
The point is selecting essential albums that show the development of Prog Rock


I'm not sure we have the same definition of a "canon"

I know that's not how the word is used from a literary point of view
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 07:03
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

MY TOP 20 including 2nd and 3rd choices for each artist
 

1 AYREON - The Human Equation (2nd TIMELINE; 3RD IN THE ELECTRIC CASTLE) 2 PINK FLOYD - The Wall (2ND DARK SIDE OF THE MOON; 3RD WISH YOU WERE HERE; 4TH PULSE)3 VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR - Pawn Hearts (2ND H TO HE WHO AM THE ONLY ONE; 3RD GODBLUFF; 4TH VITAL) 4 RUSH - Moving Pictures (2ND FAREWELL TO KINGS; 3RD HEMISPHERES; 4TH Permanent Waves ) 5 YES - Fragile (2ND CLOSE TO THE EDGE; 3RD TALES OF TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS; 4TH RELAYER)6 DREAM THEATER - Metropolis Part 2: Scenes From A Memory (2nd OCTAVARIUM; 3rd BLACK CLOUDS & SILVER LININGS)7 EMERSON LAKE & PALMER- Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends (2nd BRAIN SALAD SURGERY; 3rd TARKUS) 8 GENESIS - Foxtrot (2ND NURSERY CRYME; 3RD SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND; 4TH TRICK OF THE TAIL)9 KING CRIMSON - In The Court Of The Crimson King (2ND RED; 3RD DISCIPLINE)10 HAWKWIND - Space Ritual (2nd IN SEARCH OF SPACE; 3rd IN THE HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL) 11 QUEENSRYCHE - Operation: Mindcrime (2ND OPERATION LIVECRIME)12 ATOMIC ROOSTER - DEATH WALKS BEHIND YOU (2ND IN HEARING OF; 3RD MADE IN ENGLAND)13 THE BEATLES - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (2nd WHITE ALBUM, 3rd REVOLVER) 14 JETHRO TULL - Thick As A Brick (2nd 25TH ANNIVERSARY COLLECTION; 3RD AQUALUNG) 15 KRAFTWERK - The Man-Machine (Die Mensch-Maschine) (2ND COMPUTER WORLD; 3RD MINIMUM: MAXIMUM)16 NEKTAR - A Tab In The Ocean (2ND REMEMBER THE FUTURE; 3RD BACK TO EARTH) 17 CAMEL - Mirage (2ND MOONMADNESS; 3RD CAMEL) 18 PORCUPINE TREE - Deadwing (2ND FEAR OF A BLANK PLANET; 3RD THE INCIDENT)19 RIVERSIDE - Anno Domini High Definition (2ND SECOND LIFE SYNDROME; 3RD RAPID EYE MOVEMENT) 20 CARAVAN - IN THE LAND OF GREY AND PINK (2ND FOR GIRLS WHO GROW PLUM IN THE NIGHT; 3RD AND THE NEW SYMPHONIA)


Thank you for your information, but as long as you don't pick THREE albums they will not be included on the list.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 07:06
Originally posted by The Quiet One The Quiet One wrote:

Obvious ones:

 

Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn/A Saucerful of Secrets

Miles Davis - In a Silent Way/Bitches Brew

Arthur Brown - The Crazy World of Arthur Brown (EDIT: I've been beaten!)

Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Mounting Flame

 

All, unquestionably, essential Proto-Prog/Jazz Rock albums, not necessarily meaning they're masterpieces.

 

By the way, I'm afraid to say that the list is already flawed, some of the albums that have been proposed just seem to be favorites by fans of certain groups: Octavarium. Also, you can't have DSOTM and WYWH by Floyd in a same list, keep with one. Anyway, as far as I understood the process, it'll later be edited, right?

 


Please just choose THREE albums. The list isn't flawed. After we're ready with the nominations will discuss albums that might not be essential for our canon.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 07:08
To me this isi turning into a list of everyones favourite albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 08:00
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

To me this isi turning into a list of everyones favourite albums.


Like every other thread on PA, then.
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