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JLocke 
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 Posted: September 20 2010 at 21:44 |
Look, you have your opinion, I have mine, that's all. All I can do is base it on what I might do in similar situations. I couldn't see myself using a person's ethnic background as a way of hurting him. And I certainly wouldn't make references to unjustified murders committed against his race in the past. Would you? No matter how mad you were, would you fight back by attacking a man's skin color or making light of his culture's dark past?
I get the feeling you didn't really pay much attention to everything that was said that night. Richards did much more than call them n****rs.
I still love his character on Seinfeld, and think he is a very funny, talented guy. But to act as if it's stretching things to assume him a racist is a little naive, in my opinion. I'm not calling him one for certain, since I can't see into his mind, but I am saying it's a very high possibility. I could be wrong, but asking for someone to do something wrong twice in order for it to actually be wrong seems very odd to me. What he did was wrong the first time, and I'm not going to brush it under the rug and assume he's a swell guy just because he hasn't done it since. Who knows how many times Richards may have said similar things in private, when there wasn't a camera to capture it? If you see footage of an abuser causing harm to his child or spouse, you don't assume he was having a bad day, do you? You call him what he is.
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 21:13 |
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I don't know....I'd have to see a pattern of behavior beyond ONE incident before I could be judge and jury that someone is a racist.
Give you a hypothetical. If Richards were a gay man, and the guys at the show whom he exploded at screamed back at him "F you, F___t !!!!" or something like that, would that automatically make you classify them as certified homophobic bigots? Or could they have just been trying to really agitate and provoke in that particular exchange, in the heat of the moment? Had that happened, I would say both parties were trying to hurt the other with awful words, but I think to label either with something so lasting and harsh over one exchange is perhaps inaccurate.
I don't think a true racist, particularly one in the public eye for decades, could go through his whole life with just one incident. There would be much more smoke, and comments from people who know him that....yeah this guy doesn't like blacks...other stories would have surfaced....but to my knowledge there is nothing else.
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JLocke
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 20:42 |
 Finnforest wrote:
And I really don't believe Richards is a true card-carrying racist. Yeah, I know what he said. He was angry and he made a big mistake in anger and haste, to some people who were pushing his buttons. He f##cked up, but his friends came out right away and said he's not like that, he swore he's not like that when he apologized, and I take him at his word. I hardly think people like Dreyfuss and Larry David (a flaming liberal) would be hanging out with a guy they felt was truly racist.
Just my opinion, could be wrong, maybe he does burn crosses every other Wednesday. 
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Well, he did a little more than simply explode on some guys. He went out of his way to say very cruel things regarding their ethnicity, and nothing else. The stuff he said . . . damn, even if I got as mad as he did, I don't even think I could come up with anything that specific and mean in the midst of a rage. He spoke like someone who has felt those ways already and had those thoughts for a long time, but kept them buried. I am not trying to sound self-righteous or anything, but I swear I don't think I would say anything racist to someone who made me angry. Because I honestly don't see the difference. If someone makes me mad, I get angry at them, not their skin color.
Anyway, you shouldn't judge whether someone is a racist or not based on how he acts around his friends. it's how he behaves toward strangers that shows what he's really about. And burning crosses isn't required, last time I checked, to be a 'closet' racist of sorts. Like I suspect Mr. Richards may be.
Edited by JLocke - September 20 2010 at 21:02
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TheClosing
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 20:40 |
George obviously! 
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 20:29 |
And I really don't believe Richards is a true card-carrying racist. Yeah, I know what he said. He was angry and he made a big mistake in anger and haste, to some people who were pushing his buttons. He f##cked up, but his friends came out right away and said he's not like that, he swore he's not like that when he apologized, and I take him at his word. I hardly think people like Dreyfuss and Larry David (a flaming liberal) would be hanging out with a guy they felt was truly racist. Just my opinion, could be wrong, maybe he does burn crosses every other Wednesday.
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JLocke
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 20:19 |
The T wrote:
JLocke wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
When speaking of actors it's easily Michael Richards. Love the show but can't watch it the same way after his horrible racist f**k-up.
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Exactly.
If we were to judge movies or tv shows or anything like it by the conducts of their real life actors and performers, we would have to dislike pretty much everything. |
Like I've said before; everybody is an a****le about something. We have to separate the artist from the art.
Anyway, I have always disliked Elaine. I mean, I 'love to hate' her, but she'd be the last person I would ever want to hang out with. Much too much of a hypocrite about things, considering how shallow and narrow-minded she is in her own life.
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 20:15 |
JLocke wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
When speaking of actors it's easily Michael Richards. Love the show but can't watch it the same way after his horrible racist f**k-up.
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Exactly.
If we were to judge movies or tv shows or anything like it by the conducts of their real life actors and performers, we would have to dislike pretty much everything.
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JLocke
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 20:10 |
King By-Tor wrote:
When speaking of actors it's easily Michael Richards. Love the show but can't watch it the same way after his horrible racist f**k-up.
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But you know we're not talking about the actors, here. We're talking about the characters.
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manofmystery
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 19:35 |
Elaine, but that's to be expected; she is an attractive woman.
George is just doing what a short, stocky, slow-witted, bald man has to do to survive.
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June
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 18:43 |
Say Vandelay! George for me. Come on, dude, if only he'd put as much energy into finding a job than into faking a job. And trying to get a date right after his fiancée died? And because of that  
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The Tourist
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 15:33 |
Definitely George.
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 11:48 |
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I love George. No way I can vote for him. I'll vote for Jerry, because he enjoys watching horrible things happen to his friends and laughing at them.
George gave a security guard a chair because he felt bad for him having to stand up all day. You know that deep down he must have a good heart.
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The T
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 11:41 |
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Let's remember when someone yelled fire and he pushed the old lady aside as he was running away from danger..
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Posted: September 20 2010 at 08:43 |
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George. Ok Jerry is bad too, and Elaine. But George pretending to be handicapped and the thing with the foundation for his dead fiance. Hilariously horrible.
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 23:39 |
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When I saw the topic I thought "george of course," but after reading your post and thinking about it I'm not so sure. They all do some terrible things but also have redeeming moments
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The T
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 17:50 |
George, it's actually horrible. And it's actually the funniest.
I love he show. I own all seasons on DVD and have watched every single episode... The peak of comedy in TV...
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 11:48 |
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When speaking of actors it's easily Michael Richards. Love the show but can't watch it the same way after his horrible racist f**k-up.
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 10:55 |
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George but at least has a reason to be despicable, he's short, he has shy hair, not very succesfull and suffers from terrible parents.
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 10:42 |
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Gotta be George for the fire at the birthday party incident where he knocked over women and kids trying to escape. But he's still my favorite.
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Posted: September 19 2010 at 02:21 |
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