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    Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:13
I don't know all of these, but I do highly recommend Automatic Man's first.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 16:54
I've just started frequenting the local record shop, and am working to sanely and cheaply grow my vinyl collection.  Over the last couple of weeks, I've found a few gems: Colosseum's debut for a dollar, Automatic Man's first release, a beautiful vintage copy of Queen's debut, Refugee's sole release, and a copy of Klaatu's 3:47 E.S.T.  The shop gets a major boost from hip/trendy University students, and they use this leverage to bloat their prices, but I stick to the obscure vintage boxes on the floor.  Am a very happy prog fan at this moment.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 12:11
Between 1989 and 1994, I shopped at Vintage Vinyl. Two stores. One in Ocean, N.J. and the other in Fords, N.J. Both shops were like museums filled with prog titles. Prog titles that were not available domestically or had yet to be released in the U.K. Not to my knowledge because all the imports were Japanese. All 4 Greenslade titles, Curved Air, Atomic Rooster, Chris Squire's Fish Out Of Water and McDonald and Giles were easy to obtain from Vintage Vinyl but impossible to find in other stores. Tower Records would sometimes stock Japanese imports but, not nearly as extensive as Vintage Vinyl.

I purchased all the early Fleetwood Mac titles there along with many of the underground British Blues Boom artists. I spent thousands there and years later it was all released in the U.K. and available through mail service vendors in America. I used to order from Jem Records in the 70's and 80's. Marty from Jem who used to sell imports from the back of his station wagon opened Jem Imports in South Plainfield and North Plainfield N,J. It was the best way to obtain Gong, Hawkwind, and Guru, Guru titles. Unless you ordered from a record shop that dealt with Marty. Better to order from the source though. Archie Patterson who was associated with Green World on the west coast was part of the same early movement as Jem. Their goal was to sell underground progressive music. Whether it was electronic, krautrock, space rock, or what was labeld then as Progressive Rock like PFM. These guys broke down the barrier at a time when this kind of music was well known in the U.K. but, hardly available in America. These 2 guys were extremely vital to the change in business.

Plastic Fantastic in Ardmore P.A. sold mainly used copies of rare (or rare then), progressive European albums. I bought the Beaver & Krause collection there in the 80's. Third Street Jazz and Rock in Philadelphia was a wonderful shop with 2 floors. Upstairs you had Jazz, Downstairs were actual collections of Blues music and Progressive Rock. Imported versions of Guru, Guru on Atlantic Records and plenty of Klaus Schulze. They sold the import cd's of Jade Warrior on the German Line label. They were supposedly phased wrong and I passed on them. Goblin, Eloy, and many others were available week to week. When Wayside Music entered the picture, it was then more possible to obtain Univers Zero, Conventum, and just many bands from countires unthought of by Americans. Steve F. made it possible for fans of progressive to obtain even a wider spectrum of prog like Pulsar, Art Zoyd, and he also stocked many albums that were released by Mexican musicians. Then I became aware that there was an electronic scene in Mexico. Also many Mexican prog bands that blew me away!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 09 2010 at 21:47
Definitely more fun to go to a store, but generally you can find a wider variety for less online... I probably end up getting more from Amazon because of that.

My home music store though is Indy CD and Vinyl in Broad Ripple, Indianapolis, Indiana.. For anyone who cares.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 12:49
I love Platekompaniet in Norway they have varied suplie of music and loads of prog as well, not perfect but better then most of what ive seen.
 
the larger stores are full of gems
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2010 at 01:36
For the moment I hate shops because I have no money Angry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 21:37
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

You're not alone. I never got to see the heydey of record stores (I'm 24), but I still love the feeling of rifling through stores looking for something that might pique my interest. It's just such a tactile and unique way to discover music - there's an element of chance and spontaneity to it which is sorely lacking in online shopping.
 
I got to see some magnificent ones ...  for imports and strange stuff ... in my time:
 
Tower Records on the Sunset Strip ... for the longest time was the haven for imports and weird stuff, and one day they decided that the imports they would get would only be Beatles and Rolling Stones and it was over.
 
Moby Disk in Van Nuys. The ultimate progressive and import heaven for the longest time. Still one of the best. Can't tell you if they are there or not.
 
Warehouse in Westwood (UCLA) ... had a couple of floors and was huge on jazz, classical, and soundtracks and off kilter stuff.
 
Rasputin Records ... Berkeley ... eventually split into two stores because they were too big ... way too big. But you went there with a list of things, because if you didn't, you would spend 12 hours in that place and have a stack of things in your hand that was taller than you are! And your wife or significant other would kill you!
 
Music Millenium ... Portland. The ultimate independent store, still fairly good, though slimmed down and they failed to get into the website business in time to make a go of it.
 
Between those and a couple of folks over email, I got most of my needs. Never found a good European distributor that had the music as a priority, but Archie Patterson (Eurock) still is the best at the odd stuff ... which I can't afford! Meaning I never get to hear the new things!
 
I heard that the Tower Records in NY was massive ... but their prices were not for me!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 09:55
 
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

 
But I noticed something, HMV are selling the obvious safe CDs a lot cheaper than they did 10 years ago - presumably indicating their equivalent  in the 90's were overpriced (encouraging copying for instance????). But then the sort of CDs I might buy are still overpriced in HMV, when they are slipped in.


As with golf clubs and other consumer goods; CDs was/is vastly more expensive in the UK than in the USA. That's why you had people going to New York from the UK to do their Christmas shopping instead of York...... and making a substantial saving by crossing the drink. But the falling CD prices has made the UK CD prices more in line with the US prices. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2010 at 09:42
I noticed the growing up in Leicester tag.
 
I used to have the best of several  worlds living half way between Leicester and Nottingham, in Loughborough. Alas the local indie records shops (3) went 3 summers ago - Ainsley's in Leicester died before then - as did the knowledgable guys behind the counter. But at least Ultima Thule was still there, the last time I looked a few months ago, although Alan Freeman has  talked of moving. Nottingham's Selectradisc died just over 2 years ago, and this a couple of years after they stopped buying in  second hand vinyl. There was an interesting rock specialist up an alley towards Maid Marion Way near the Bell Inn but that didn't last long in the 90's - and a heavy rock speciallist up one of the shopping alleys opposite the Odean cinema, does it survive?. So it seems both Leicester and Nottingham only have HMVs and their limited stocklist, whilst there is an even worse collection of safe releases at WH Smiths. Loughborough's local record shops were partly killed by cheap CDs on the internet, illegal copying and  the final straw, Virgin encouraged into our new shopping mall, rent free for a year. However, Virgin went bust replaced by Zaavi's who quickly when internet-only and then eventually HMV have taken over. I only go into HMV to check out the discounted DVDs, getting no pleasure sorting through the CD racks full of the obvious - a lost pleasure which kept me amused and priomed for surprises for hours most weeks in the past on entering the indie shops. ....Although I did manage to pick up Nigel Kennedy's Shhh! album very cheap two weeks ago - with a surprisingly good interpretation of Nick Drake's River Man, believe it or not sung by Boy George.
 
But I noticed something, HMV are selling the obvious safe CDs a lot cheaper than they did 10 years ago - presumably indicating their equivalent  in the 90's were overpriced (encouraging copying for instance????). But then the sort of CDs I might buy are still overpriced in HMV, when they are slipped in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2010 at 15:46
I have some sympathy for the 'real record store nostalgia'.  I spent a good portion of my Saturday afternoons as a teenager in the local record store.  The problem was it was in a small town and rarely got much new stock in, other than popular stuff.  The big (and rare) excitement for me was going to a big town - especially London - and visiting the record stores there.  Even in the big London stores, there was a lot of stuff that was hard to get hold of in those days (early 80s). 

It might be blasphemous to some, but my experience is that (i) CDs replacing vinyl has meant a lot of previously deleted stuff being reissued (ii) the internet has made getting hold of it vastly easier.  It is easy to see things through rose tinted spectacles but it is only in recent years that I have, for example,  been able to explore music of the 60s and 70s that I barely knew about previously, despite it always having been my favourite era.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2010 at 09:32
We used to have this record store in Atlanta, Peaches I believe it was called, that had a cassette area in the back, if you wanted to buy one, they would put in this basket that was attached to "flying" wizard of oz monkey (on a ceiling track) and it would take to the cash register up front.  LOL  I sh*t you not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 22:28
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Sterile digital illusions on a pixelated screen are a waste of time, and until the postman delivers the circular object that contains the music, no experience has taken place. This dire substitute is unfortunately becoming the norm. Unless you're privileged to have access to the real deal, it's pretty much the only option you have. What a crummy substitute...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 22:12
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

my little placed closed a couple years ago and we all still mourn it.. I miss that dusty musty odor, taking my time flipping through discs or LPs as old wood floors creaked and buckled under me, the banter with clerks, and the joy of finding something special among the dreck.



That is a lovely reflection here. I suspect many can relate to this kind of experience.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2010 at 20:19
my little placed closed a couple years ago and we all still mourn it.. I miss that dusty musty odor, taking my time flipping through discs or LPs as old wood floors creaked and buckled under me, the banter with clerks, and the joy of finding something special among the dreck.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 06:45
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I'm a used record shop junkie....if you add up all the time I've spent shuffling thru stacks, racks, bins, and piles (great name for a used record shop!), well, let's just say many would say I define the term "misspent youth".

 
I know how that feels......
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 30 2010 at 06:16

I'm a used record shop junkie....if you add up all the time I've spent shuffling thru stacks, racks, bins, and piles (great name for a used record shop!), well, let's just say many would say I define the term "misspent youth".

 
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 21:38
I'm not old enough to have had better times.  But around here if you're going to a store to buy music, you're finding only the most popular.  I have to go online to find ANYTHING.  Used stores have some good stuff, like entire record collections donated (theres so much ELP for some reason).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 21:29
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I love the internet for sampling stuff.  But if you've never experienced the sublime pleasures of browsing at a local store and finding something unexpected I feel sorry for you.

Well said. Exactly how I feel.

 I enjoy having the internet to listen to samples and decide if I might like a band or an album. It makes my personal "3 Song Rule" easy to follow. The rule was, If I didn't like 3 songs from an album it wasn't worth buying. It used to be a crap shoot, especially with bands that got little or no airplay. The internet has changed that.

I grew up in NYC and we had 3 or 4 small record shops in walking distance of my house and I'd spend hours just browsing and reading the jackets. None of those stores exist anymore-casualties of HMV or FYE, etc. There is a small chain that has a store near my camp in Maine, called Bull Moose. They still have lots of used and unique things, but even they have commercialized over the last few years. As is the pattern in much of the USA, the small specialty stores are being forced out by the big buys. The Walmarting of America.

Definitely miss being able to go into a small shop and find some gem!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 13:42

I have to admit that when I am visiting a new town (without my bike) and I spot an independent record shop, that's like honey to a grizzly bear. I am over there faster than a greased lightening and I spend some very happy minutes there. Mostly without spending a single penny. 

Yes, I mourn the passing of the independent record shops. But there is no doubts that the new era is a lot better than the old era. Music has become a lot cheaper and more accessible.

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 29 2010 at 13:33
Originally posted by questionsneverknown questionsneverknown wrote:

Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

Here is the article I was talking about.


I think I'm still all twitchy from watching an episode of How Clean is Your House?, or a show of that ilk, when the host said, "Why do you have all these books?  Once you've read a book, get rid of it."  Does that strike anybody else as criminally insane? 




This totally terrified me.  If someone came into my home and ordered me to toss out my library and my vinyl collection, I think I'd just pass out on the spot.  Either that or crack them over the head with one of my many, many leatherbound volumes of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
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