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Theriver
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Topic: Is the future free available music only? Posted: October 13 2010 at 12:54 |
I ve only illegaly downloaded one album so far in my life. Money is getting tight and even if i don't want to, i have to admit, i probably will do it again one day or the other in the future.
I know this topic really divides music fans of course more than musicians ( even tough we start to see now more and more groups making albums available for free download).
The music supports as vinyls or cds only appeared 50 years ago to be large. Music has been played and musicians have been living off music for centuries without any fo those supports but only by mainly playing concerts and through Patronage.
Is the internet and the illegal downloading only brings back the music industry to was it before the appearance of recording support.
Maybe record support was only a tiny part of the history of music. A music history that will go on anyway with or without.
If musicians could live of their music before without the appearance of vinyls cds why can't they do it now.As well as patronage, concerts their is new ways to make money merchandising etc...
I don't know if you all follow me and i am not trying to apologise to the fact i might download but really i think the future of music will be free available music whatever we want or not..
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 12:59 |
We are very strict here in regards to topics about illegal downloads,so I will be keeping a VERY close eye on this topic.
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thehallway
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:03 |
You may be right.
But we're talking many years away. CDs still greatly out-sell downloads (the "free" ones are generally illegal). And free downloads that are legal are just promotional right? ...Leading to further sales either from gigs or priced music, so the whole thing is circular; a miserable tautology...
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Theriver
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:03 |
Sorry i did not know.Can i know why? Even though i think the topic is more about the future of music than only the downloading itself but feel free to erase it if you think it is neccessary.
regards,
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thehallway
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:07 |
If you're keeping a close eye.........
...then for the record, I have never downloaded a single byte illegally and don't plan to.
Phew
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rushfan4
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:08 |
I believe that it is the PA equivalent of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to illegal downloading.
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omardiyejon
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:09 |
actually i believe that music will be free in the future. i am not going to discuss the ethical side of the topic or the financial satisfaction of artists but what i think is 'money' or the whole music bussiness(companies etc.) kills the spirit of music. they look like the establishers of the connection between the listeners and bands but all they do is to push the bands hard to earn more. i hope more bands will be encouraged to release their albums by the internet. this will be a win win situation in my opinion
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crimhead
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:14 |
Pay for the music.
Support the arts.
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Theriver
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:20 |
I am not talking about the ethical side of the topic as well. I just think that maybe in the future prog will probably survive to a possible disappearance of recording support. People lived of their music before why can't it be possible nowadays.....Support arts does not necessarily mean buying cds, again the arts was supported before.
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crimhead
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:28 |
I support the arts by paying to see them play and then by buying their Music/Merchandise.
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lazland
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:50 |
This is an interesting and worthwhile topic - well done to the thread opener, who was not, I think, advocating anything illegal. I don't.
I get most of my music via download now, but I don't touch things like bit torrents, for both ethical and also PC security issues.
I have had a splurge lately on buying new music, and, like everyone else, I keep an eye out on price, because times are getting hard.
As to the future, I would venture to suggest that CDs, in, say, 10 years time, will be as out of date as the old vinyl's, in other words, as a curiosity for avid collectors. In 30 yerars time, the same will apply to downloads - something else will come along to replace them, that's the nature of technology.
Then, as now, most artists will get paid, rightly, for their work, and the best will make a decent living.
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A Person
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:57 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I believe that it is the PA equivalent of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy when it comes to illegal downloading. |
I was going to say the same thing.
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Theriver
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 13:58 |
I think actually since the apperance of vinyls and cds a lot of terrible performers made a living out of musics which was probably not possible before. Maybe it has more to do with the world we live in than the record supportbut as Lazland said
.....most artists will get paid, rightly, for their work, and the best will make a decent living.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:24 |
Theriver wrote:
Sorry i did not know.Can i know why? Even though i think the topic is more about the future of music than only the downloading itself but feel free to erase it if you think it is neccessary.
regards, |
There is nothing wrong with discussing illegal downloading and the impact it might have in the future.But,in the past sometimes people have made posts in topics like these with links to music dl blogs or start discussing the various merits of different P2P programs,etc.
You did nothing wrong,sorry if I came across like you did.
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richardh
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:30 |
Eventually all music will be free to download I believe as simply artists and record companies will not be prepared to spend the money to stop it happening.
Interestingly Radiohead's 'In Rainbows' was available for free download before it got a CD release and then went to NO1 in America based on CD sales.
Perhaps it really is best left to people's conscience.
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:47 |
crimhead wrote:
Pay for the music.Support the arts.
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This.
It's quite simple really. Pay them for the job they do. You wouldn't expect a mechanic to fix your car for free. You wouldn't expect to go to the theatre for free, why would anyone expect musicians to record and play for free? It may come as a shock to many music fans, but musicians need to eat and pay bills too, like the rest of us. It's ok for bands like Radiohead to give away their work free, they've made their millions already. Most bands, prog or otherwise are not in that position.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:51 |
I think the good news for musicians is that there are more avenues than before for allowing people to hear your stuff without giving it away. And if I get really hooked on trying something that is streamed, I'll but a hard copy.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:56 |
[/QUOTE] You wouldn't expect a mechanic to fix your car for free. [/QUOTE]
At the prices they charge! 
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Blacksword
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 14:58 |
richardh wrote:
Eventually all music will be free to download I believe as simply artists and record companies will not be prepared to spend the money to stop it happening.
Interestingly Radiohead's 'In Rainbows' was available for free download before it got a CD release and then went to NO1 in America based on CD sales.
Perhaps it really is best left to people's conscience. |
Those who downloaded In Rainbows had the option of paying something if they wish. It's heartening that many people did pay something, but dissapointing in equal measure that many didn't. In my opinion anyway. It was a good idea nonetheless. I bought the CD, and generally favour CD over download.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: October 13 2010 at 15:00 |
The sad fact of the music industry is that when you buy a cd the band makes almost next to nothing from that product.They literally make a few cents on the dollar for every cd sold and the rest goes to record companies,managers,etc.
The majority of the income that a band makes is from merch and ticket sales.
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