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Posted: March 22 2011 at 11:55
Easy Livin wrote:
I wonder if the prog folk team would support his inclusion under Prog Related?
Both Drake and Bunyan are more of singer-songwriter style than pure folk artistes, IMHO
Drake was not deemed rog enough to be prog-folk, but we'dvagree with him in prog-related
Vashti Bunyan.... two months ago, I could've sworn sge was in, but apparently she's not... so we'll re-discuss it soon.
let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: March 23 2011 at 19:24
I hope he's added. A fun fact. I bought his 3 studio albums in a record store that specializes almost strictly to progressive rock here in Argentina. So one can conclude that:
1- It's not the first time someone thinks of Nick Drake as a prog related artist.
2- Prog or not, his music seems to appeal to a big number of Proggers here in PA.
Why do prog people in general not except Nick Drake? Is it because of the Volkswagon commercial? He wasn't excepted too much in his own day to put a point on it. It would have been easier to get a "Dead Head" to listen to Fairport Convention than a Nick Drake recording. Many people that were considered "cool", from the hippie in-crowd, often thought Nick Drake to be "un-cool" because he was too misfit.
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 03:39
No, not Prog Related. Nick Drake wasn't something like Queen, The Who or Pete Townshend solo- I suggested him for PR - who, although he loved to play acoustic and his solo stuff is very introspective, he was toying alot with synths, he was touring with a big following band and David Gilmoure.
Prog Folk is just perfect section for Nick Drake if you like to add him. It's unfair to put him in the section with these loud and monster bands as Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, The Who, etc.- It's gonna be a disservice to Nick Drake.
^I don't think that inclusion in PR is a disservice. I support his inclusion in PA: if not in Prog Folk, then in Prog Related. Prog Related is not a subgenre like Prog Folk, Symphonic Prog or Progressive Metal, but just a collection of acts that are not deemed progressive enough by the subgenre teams. More folk-oriented bands are there (Fairport Convention, Fotheringay, Steeleye Span) as well as some hard rock acts (Black Sabbath, Metallica), but also Kate Bush, David Bowie and John Cale (who played some keyboards on Northern Sky).
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 06:33
CCVP wrote:
I thought about sugesting him for PR, but most people high up told me he would get rejected, so . . . .
there you go.
I think Easy Livin's post here suggests that there would be chances with the Admin Team for Prog-Related. As a Special Collab you now can follow the steps for suggesting him, if you want (and let me know if you don't know the procedure for prog-related).
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 07:28
someone_else wrote:
^I don't think that inclusion in PR is a disservice. I support his inclusion in PA: if not in Prog Folk, then in Prog Related. Prog Related is not a subgenre like Prog Folk, Symphonic Prog or Progressive Metal, but just a collection of acts that are not deemed progressive enough by the subgenre teams. More folk-oriented bands are there (Fairport Convention, Fotheringay, Steeleye Span) as well as some hard rock acts (Black Sabbath, Metallica), but also Kate Bush, David Bowie and John Cale (who played some keyboards on Northern Sky).
Yes, I know that PR is not really prog.
Actually, Drake's music is basicly folk. That fact qualified him for Prog Folk, or let him to rest in peace...
BTW & OTT, I dont understand why Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span "are" Prog Related while Vlatko Stefanovski is added as Prog Folk artist! Stefanovski is an ultimate guitar player (and money maker! ) who was / is playing everything except Metal and Punk. His World Music (the covers of traditional Balkan songs) is just one of a number of genres he touched as virtuoso as well. Stefanovski could be in Jazz Rock / Fusion section only. Lol, this is so clear that I don't need even to put "IMO" stamp on this post. Anyway, a few (live!) examples of that nonsense of adding Vlatko Stefanovski as Prog Folk instead of Fusion act would be nice ~
So, TBH I don't take Prog Folk Team so much seriously. Sorry!
^If my memory doesn't cheat me, Fairport Convention had been in Prog Folk before, and probably (but I'm not sure) Steeleye Span as well. I listen to the clips of that Vlatko guy later on. But the Prog Folk policy is one of the greatest enigmas of this site . Here is another Prog Folk artist, whom I deem to be fitting for the RIO/Avant Prog genre, based on this song:
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Posted: March 24 2011 at 11:49
Yes, I agreed that the song is Avant. Tim Buckley is overrated, though. Especialy in comparision with many of less popular, but much more innovative and interresting artists who did do that Alt. Country too - for example Chris Bell:
Yes, I agreed that the song is Avant. Tim Buckley is overrated, though. Especialy in comparision with many of less popular, but much more innovative and interresting artists who did do that Alt. Country too - for example Chris Bell:
You have to be kidding when you say Chris Bell is more innovative then Tim Buckley! Tim Buckley was way ahead of his time and what song did Chris bell write that ever came close to the beauty of the song of the siren?
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Posted: March 26 2011 at 11:16
timothy leary wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Yes, I agreed that the song is Avant. Tim Buckley is overrated, though. Especialy in comparision with many of less popular, but much more innovative and interresting artists who did do that Alt. Country too - for example Chris Bell:
You have to be kidding when you say Chris Bell is more innovative then Tim Buckley! Tim Buckley was way ahead of his time and what song did Chris bell write that ever came close to the beauty of the song of the siren?
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Posted: March 26 2011 at 11:55
timothy leary wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Yes, I agreed that the song is Avant. Tim Buckley is overrated, though. Especialy in comparision with many of less popular, but much more innovative and interresting artists who did do that Alt. Country too - for example Chris Bell:
You have to be kidding when you say Chris Bell is more innovative then Tim Buckley! Tim Buckley was way ahead of his time and what song did Chris bell write that ever came close to the beauty of the song of the siren?
Nick Drake (1948-1974), Tim Buckley (1947-1975), Chris Bell (1951-1978)... Do I detect a similarity here?
Anyway, Chris Bell's songs are worth a listen in their own right, but I agree with Chris S and timothy leary that he doesn't come even close to Tim Buckley when it comes to innovation, even if I am not a real Buckley fan: Speed of Sound is a good acoustic song, but no more than that; I am the Cosmos is a nice tune and I do like this one, but it is highly Beatle-esque to my ears. However, hey do not equal the beauty of Nick Drake's songs or Song to the Siren.
Vlatko Stefanovski can be placed in almost any genre. I would suggest him for PR - or fusion indeed - and add Nick Drake to PF instead . The third clip is some good folk, but I would lable his rendition of Mozart's Turkish March as some jazzy kind of psych.
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Easy Livin wrote:
He wasn't excepted too much in his own day to put a point on it. It would have been easier to get a "Dead Head" to listen to Fairport Convention than a Nick Drake recording. Many people that were considered "cool", from the hippie in-crowd, often thought Nick Drake to be "un-cool" because he was too misfit.
) who was / is playing everything except Metal and Punk. His World Music (the covers of traditional Balkan songs) is just one of a number of genres he touched as virtuoso as well. Stefanovski could be in Jazz Rock / Fusion section only. Lol, this is so clear that I don't need even to put "IMO" stamp on this post. Anyway, a few (live!) examples of that nonsense of adding Vlatko Stefanovski as Prog Folk instead of Fusion act would be nice ~
