If you're younger than 18

Also, it's worth noting that classic prog is a rather obscure species for us youngsters ( I am 25 but in the same boat as the kids ) so it's usually tough to get into prog any other way than through DT, Opeth or PT.  This must have been repeated ad nauseum on this forum, but outside prog circles, nobody actually talks of albums like SEBTP, Red or Fragile as all time rock classics, so there's no way to learn about them for us.  I was fortunate in that I read the term progressive rock for the first time in the context of Pink Floyd, so when I set out to investigate this thing, I already knew it had its origins in the 70s and was not some new development.

Originally posted by Dgregsound I'm 7 and I only listen to Zeuhl

It's interesting to read the posts here. When I was 15, older hippies would slaughter me because I listened to King Crimson. They thought I was trying to flaunt weirdness. They were rather snooty about it. They never excepted me because I was young. Plain and simple. But it didn't drive me to become a James Dallas Egbert III of the world. Once during a music conversation with young students, the word Disco came up. I mentioned that during my youth, disco fans would stand on one side of the strip with chains and the rockers on the other side with clubs. Violence broke out between the 2 groups on a regular basis. Back then....rockers thought that disco was going to overthrow Rock and protested. No one in the music class age 15 to 19 believed me. They thought I was making the story up. I figure those facts about disco and rock have been wiped out of the publications industry for years now. It's interesting what ROGERTHAT had to say about SEBTP, and Fragile and the outside circles not  thinking of those records as Rock classics. Wow, that's really sad when society doesn't even consider the meaning of real facts. False information really influences people's minds doesn't it?  

Originally posted by TODDLER It's interesting what ROGERTHAT had to say about SEBTP, and Fragile and the outside circles not  thinking of those records as Rock classics. Wow, that's really sad when society doesn't even consider the meaning of real facts. False information really influences people's minds doesn't it?

Originally posted by NecronCommander So are we implying here that metal is juvenile and just a phase for teenagers? Hrmph.

99% of it is. The other 1% is Pain of Salvation. Anything else must be enjoyed with the caveat that it is impossible to take seriously.

I'm mostly serious by the way.


Edited by stonebeard - November 28 2010 at 01:17

Originally posted by stonebeard Originally posted by NecronCommander So are we implying here that metal is juvenile and just a phase for teenagers? Hrmph. 99% of it is. The other 1% is Pain of Salvation. Anything else must be enjoyed with the caveat that it is impossible to take seriously. I'm mostly serious by the way.

Well Pain of Salvation sucks too, so something else must be in that 1%, but otherwise I completely agree with you. 

Originally posted by clarke2001 I'm surprised how many really young people we have here. Surel, it's great that you love prog, but... GET OFF THE INTERNET!! Go out, go to a gig, have a drink, kiss a girl, do yoga, go fishing, ride a bike, climb a mountain! Again and again! (I should be doing it too. I'm on computer because my girlfriend is in bed, snoring badly.)

I don't want to do any of those things! Especially fishing, which is the worst waste of time ever.

I'm 17 and listen to prog old and new, non-metal and metal. I'm also 5 and only listen to RIO, voluntarily.  

I don't know, I love JP and much more so than most if not all prog metal I have heard. At least JP could/can unabashedly and without any overt feeling of consciousness celebrate the irreverent release of aggression and energy that is metal music (apart from which their run of great albums in the 70s from Sad wings to Stained Class was very influential and groundbreaking). Some of the pseudo-intellectualism in prog metal is positively insufferable to me, especially because the music doesn't half live up to the posturing.  If they are really so mature in their approach and so prodigally talented, why are they so loath to shed their metal roots and venture to explore other genres?  No, seriously, that is something I have never understood.  Generally, they have neither the complete commitment and conviction to the metal format of their 'true' metal peers (which while boring after too much of it is at least enjoyable in small doses) nor the willingness to break boundaries characteristic of great prog rock bands.   

Originally posted by Gerinski Don't worry young folks, it is allowed to like prog-metal. We had Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Zeppelin... I confess that I listened to some early heavy metal when I was a teen, Judas Priest, AC/DC, MSG, UFO...  much of modern prog-metal is at least better than that. Don't forget other stuff though, diversity is one of the key ingredients of the prog genre itself.

Originally posted by JS19 Originally posted by stonebeard Originally posted by Henry Plainview Originally posted by stonebeard [QUOTE=NecronCommander]So are we implying here that metal is juvenile and just a phase for teenagers? Hrmph. 99% of it is. The other 1% is Pain of Salvation. Anything else must be enjoyed with the caveat that it is impossible to take seriously. I'm mostly serious by the way. Well Pain of Salvation sucks too, so something else must be in that 1%, but otherwise I completely agree with you.  The snobs descend...

Piece of advice, take little of what those two say seriously.
Otherwise you will have much rage