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Topic: Progressive Trance? Posted: December 17 2010 at 08:00
This genre does exist, and I've to say, I'm impressed.
Does anyone here like this sub genre and think it should either be a genre on this site or maybe part of the electronic genre...
Their are some great prog trance artists, like Tiesto, Deadmau5, BT, and their is some electronica bands who should be considered as prog related, e;g. Air (for their experimental side of electronic music), Aphex Twin (for plain craziness) & maybe early Prodigy (for quite length trance pieces)
Even if it doesn't get any recognition, it'd still be interesting to hear what people think of this underlooked genre...
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Posted: December 17 2010 at 08:06
Tiesto and Prodigy on PA, major LOL
Underlooked genre? There are tons of techno festivals in Europe. Not to speak about clubs.
AIR don't have much to do with this, they're an analogue band. Drums, electric bass and vintage synths and other such keyboards is what they have on stage. EDIT: I think their Virgin Suicides OST album can be considered Crossover Prog but the bulk of their discography will never allow them to get on PA.
Edited by harmonium.ro - December 17 2010 at 08:08
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Posted: December 17 2010 at 11:24
I've heard of prog house but not prog trance. I've always thought they were progressive as relating to the 80s house and dance scene, nothing even close to rock music. But then again, electronic/dance genres are much more retardedly divided up than we do with prog rock.
arcane-beautiful wrote:
Deadmau5, BT
Both did/do house (and prog house maybe) but not trance. Tiesto, yes.
BT is one artist that should be on PA, just like Aphex Twin and Boards of Canada.
But in general, I guess it's better to stick to Berlin School and 70s related acts. But this site better not pretend to expertise on ambient without certain albums from those three artists here.
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Posted: December 17 2010 at 11:42
harmonium.ro wrote:
Tiesto and Prodigy on PA, major LOL
Underlooked genre? There are tons of techno festivals in Europe. Not to speak about clubs.
AIR don't have much to do with this, they're an analogue band. Drums, electric bass and vintage synths and other such keyboards is what they have on stage. EDIT: I think their Virgin Suicides OST album can be considered Crossover Prog but the bulk of their discography will never allow them to get on PA.
I guess who haven't heard Tiesto's Forever Day, and epic 11 minute trance epic...
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Posted: December 17 2010 at 12:06
arcane-beautiful wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Tiesto and Prodigy on PA, major LOL
I guess who haven't heard Tiesto's Forever Day, and epic 11 minute trance epic...
What's with it?
arcane-beautiful wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Underlooked genre? There are tons of techno festivals in Europe. Not to speak about clubs.
and I meant underlooked in prog fans eyes
Yeah, classic rock and techno electronic are quite opposites, you won't find many people who like both. There are a few such guys with more diverse tastes here, Stoney, Alex (MovingPictures) or Matt (A Person) are some of them.
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Posted: December 17 2010 at 12:29
arcane-beautiful wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Underlooked genre? There are tons of techno festivals in Europe. Not to speak about clubs.
and I meant underlooked in prog fans eyes
Yeah, classic rock and techno electronic are quite opposites, you won't find many people who like both. There are a few such guys with more diverse tastes here, Stoney, Alex (MovingPictures) or Matt (A Person) are some of them. [/QUOTE]
Me too.
Also, I don't know about PA, but amongst my friends and acquaintances, there are several people who like both, and I'd guess it's more prevalent than it appears to be in PA.
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Posted: December 17 2010 at 12:37
arcane-beautiful wrote:
No BT is progressive trance and so is Deadmau5
AND WHATS WRONG WITH ELECTRONIC music
I will grant you that Ima and maybe ESCM are trance (maybe prog trance, I don't know enough) but after that he went into house and breakbeat until This Binary Universe (ambient, IDM, classical). These Hopeful Machines is once again house (maybe prog house, I don't know). He doesn't stay still but he is A LOT more varied than Tiesto or Paul Van Dyk.
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 08:05
harmonium.ro wrote:
Yeah, classic rock and techno electronic are quite opposites, you won't find many people who like both. There are a few such guys with more diverse tastes here, Stoney, Alex (MovingPictures) or Matt (A Person) are some of them.
Classic rock maybe, but progressive rock and idm/electronica are certainly not opposites.
I am a huge fan of both prog and IDM and am far from on my own. As well as the people you mentioned there are quite a few others on PA who feel the same way . In my opinion, IDM is heavily influenced by prog. Check out the aforementioned Boards Of Canada and Aphex Twin, The Orb, The Black Dog and the mindbendingly fantastic Future Sound Of London, for instance. These bands would not have even existed without the influence of prog.
For me, we really need a modern progressive electronic genre which would fit the bill nicely. If there is a chance of this, and any assistance is needed you can count me in.
Incidentally, some really sensible points on this thread from the usual people you would expect. Kudos to you. Also some nonsensical gibberish, again from the usual suspects. I'll leave you to work which ones are which .
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 08:44
^ classic prog (which is the thing most people come here for) is a part of classic rock, and it's classic prog that I was referring to. Now, for people with up-to-date tastes in music that's progressive and experimental, things are more complicated. But personaly I've had enough conflicts between sides that understand differently the meaning of this site, so I prefer to keep it as it is.
Also,
Roj M30 wrote:
Check out the aforementioned Boards Of Canada and Aphex
Twin, The Orb, The Black Dog and the mindbendingly fantastic Future
Sound Of London, for instance.
I know these bands up to a certain extent, I'm a 90s kid. They were the hottest thing back then....
Edited by harmonium.ro - December 20 2010 at 08:46
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 11:17
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Talentless button-pushers. Leave music to musicians.
Talenteless buttonpusheres...I think Rick Wakeman would be very unhappy. I mean these artists really do arrange their music with alot of musical precision, yet Jean Michelle Jarre is allowed on this website, with him holding a chord down for a few minutes.
I've made some music like this, and their is alot of skill involved, where you have to programme every sound and drumbeat, be able to mix correctly and also play the song itself...
I'm detecting lack of knowledge of the trance genre...
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 12:20
harmonium.ro wrote:
Walter... BTW Future Sound Of London and The Orb are established before 1990, that only goes to show what's the value of Walter's posts...
However, as a genre of dance music, Progressive Trance begain in the early 90s and fizzled out in the mid 00s.
It has been noted many times here that the use of the word "Progressive" in both Progressive Trance and Progressive House has no relationship to Progressive Rock. While all three genres are a fusion of different styles of music that fusion in dance music is more a technology thing (changing tempos to match and blend two disparate styles) and the progressive nature is of melody and transitions of melody, whereas in Prog Rock the fusion is a structural/compositional thing transposing one style into another (Jazz structures in a Rock style) and the progressive nature is less formal and not limited just to melody, but includes rhythm, tone, recurring motifs, concepts, modes, key modulation and song structure.
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 12:28
harmonium.ro wrote:
arcane-beautiful wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Tiesto and Prodigy on PA, major LOL
I guess who haven't heard Tiesto's Forever Day, and epic 11 minute trance epic...
What's with it?
Yeah, what?
epic =/= prog
harmonium.ro wrote:
arcane-beautiful wrote:
harmonium.ro wrote:
Underlooked genre? There are tons of techno festivals in Europe. Not to speak about clubs.
and I meant underlooked in prog fans eyes
Yeah, classic rock and techno electronic are quite opposites, you won't find many people who like both. There are a few such guys with more diverse tastes here, Stoney, Alex (MovingPictures) or Matt (A Person) are some of them.
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 13:26
Snow Dog wrote:
No..no.......no.....and..........NO.
...and no and no and no.
While some contemporary electronic/dance music arguably can be described as 'progressive' , progressive trance is not among them. Even the techno producers are frowning upon the tag, stating there's nothing progressive in it except the name.
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