King Crimson vs. Camel |
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octopus-4
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 00:43 | |||||
I like Camel more, but I simply think that the two bands are not comparable even if they have shared Mel Collins.
I'm wondering what could have been if Ferguson was replaced by Greg Lake instead of Richard Sinclair...
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b_olariu
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 05:11 | |||||
Camel by far, I'm not a KC fan.
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 05:35 | |||||
King Crimson vs. X
King Crimson wins. |
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Gentlegiantprog
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 05:43 | |||||
King Crimson, but I like both.
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Let the maps of war be drawn !
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:10 | |||||
Thanks for the answer, it confirms what I knew. I think we could talk a first tier (popularity wise) consisting of Yes, ELP and maybe Tull too (I don't know much about their popularity), and a second tier (this, of course, used not in a derogatory fashion) consisting of Genesis, Camel, KC, GG etc. This, for the early 70s. By mid 70s, when KC were ceasing to exist, and when Genesis were starting their ascension towards the first tier, YES and ELP were already playing to huge crowds, comparable to those from concerts of classic rock's greats. Seeing YES playing in 1975 at QPR in front of what seems to be a crowd of 40-50000 people is shocking, now. Edited by harmonium.ro - January 14 2011 at 06:11 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:29 | |||||
No. Genesis were not second tier witn Camel. You ignored my answer anyway.
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:45 | |||||
But you said yourself Genesis was not a stadium band like the top ones - that's the exact same thing I'm saying. Do you find it disrespectful to Genesis to put them in the same category with Camel?
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Snow Dog
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:58 | |||||
All I know from that time is that they were a far bigger band than Camel. I can say no more than that.
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lazland
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:59 | |||||
Even before the massive commercial success Genesis had with Duke and beyond, Genesis were selling far more albums than Camel, and playing to far bigger audiences. It is simply not true to state that the bands were on a par in that sense.
Thinking back to the early to late 1970's, the leaders commercially were The Who, Led Zeppelin, Yes, and The Rolling Stones, with, I suppose, Deep Purple a smidgen behind. In terms of football leagues, these were the perennial leaders of the table, the premiership contenders year after year, a la Man. Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal in the football now. Pink Floyd joined that category following DSOTM. Genesis I would put into the premiership mid table category. A group vying for the top, but taking a long time to get there. Commercially, Camel were most definitely in a league below Genesis. The Championship now, if you will. King Crimson, by the way, were also in that category. After the massive success of the first two albums, they became far more of what were called cult status. |
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Pawn Heart
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:44 | |||||
Camel are more than good, but nothing compares to KC imho, except 1/2 bands.
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Bonnek
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 12:13 | |||||
For sure, you are not a fanboy Reviews and Ratings of ECLECTIC PROG<< Back to member home page37 ratings/reviews total Sort by By ratings | Alphabetically | Chronologically(default) KING CRIMSON In The Court Of The Crimson King | review VAN DER GRAAF GENERATOR Pawn Hearts | review |
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jean-marie
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 13:35 | |||||
i'm a great KC and VDGG fan , i saw them under lysergic influence but i must admit ther's kind of addiction to them on PA
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Ronnie Pilgrim
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 13:35 | |||||
Indeed. This argument from authority is a logical fallacy; surely we deserve better from a Cambridge lecturer and physicist.
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:31 | |||||
The King, by far
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Gandalff
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:40 | |||||
Hats off to Camel! I presumed them a worse result, frankly speaking. I hope there are minimum malice votes (it means in this case "anything just not Crimson").
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:44 | |||||
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Gandalff
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 09:27 | |||||
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
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MonsterMagnet
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 10:49 | |||||
John Simon Ritchie ? well done |
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akajazzman
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Posted: January 16 2011 at 02:03 | |||||
I would have said KC for years. But in the last few years I've grown to love those 70s Camel albums a whole lot. Plus they made a couple very good ones in the 90s. Great band. Camel it is.
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King Manuel
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Posted: January 16 2011 at 02:11 | |||||
CAMEL, OF COURSE!!! What a question!!
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