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    Posted: February 07 2011 at 07:11
Was listening to some ELP earlier drooling over the complexity of what Palmer was really doing in some of those songs. 

So what do you think are the most complicated Prog drum part's you have heard?

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Tarkus - ELP
Symphony No.2 - Egg
La Villa Strangiato - Rush
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Frank Zappa-The Black Page #1
anything with Tatsuya Yoshida
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Obviously Zappa's Black Page,
 
 
which in turn has influenced Anders Johansson's Blues for FZ off Red Shift:
 
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and McHacek's  prize-winning fusion of Black Page with Charlie Parker's Donna Lee - eventually entitled  Donna Lee — Easy Viennese Version (off Featuring Ourselves).
 
So if you want "complex" check out  the whole of the album BPM's Roll With It - on which Alex MacHacek (a huge fan of the complex polyrhythmic), works with former Zappa drummer Terry Bozzio.
 
Working on from Alex MacHacek - how many other guitarists have been working with Marcus Minnemann on recordings in the last years - apparently adapting  a Minnemann 40 minute drum solo, e.g. John Czajkowski,  Mike Keneally?
 
And a reference point. The drum maestro who influenced dozens of early prog drummers, Joe Morello, e.g. the multi-time signatures of Castillian Drums (from Dave Brubeck Quartet's Carnegie Hall set):
 
 
Then many things by another great Swedish drummer, Morgan Agren in the Mats Morgan Band, including this quirky piece with added spoons:
 
 
Then another drummer augmented with percussionist you have to go to Jamie Muir period with King Crimson
 
And for more conventional prog drum parts check out Jon Hiseman
 


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Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Was listening to some ELP earlier drooling over the complexity of what Palmer was really doing in some of those songs. 

So what do you think are the most complicated Prog drum part's you have heard?

My List -
Tarkus - ELP
Symphony No.2 - Egg
La Villa Strangiato - Rush



Funny you should mention Carl Palmer. I would hazard that Toccatta from Brain Salad Surgery or even Jerusalem from the same album (there are some insane kit rolls on that critter) might fit the bill.

Some of Billy Cobham's drumming with the Mahavishnu Orchestra is borderline insane.

Need to point out though that there are umpteen incredibly complex drumming examples in Prog but sometimes the difficulty becomes an end in itself i.e. musical gymnastics where the listener is invariably the loser
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Was listening to some ELP earlier drooling over the complexity of what Palmer was really doing in some of those songs. 

So what do you think are the most complicated Prog drum part's you have heard?

My List -
Tarkus - ELP
Symphony No.2 - Egg
La Villa Strangiato - Rush



Funny you should mention Carl Palmer. I would hazard that Toccatta from Brain Salad Surgery or even Jerusalem from the same album (there are some insane kit rolls on that critter) might fit the bill.

Some of Billy Cobham's drumming with the Mahavishnu Orchestra is borderline insane.

Need to point out though that there are umpteen incredibly complex drumming examples in Prog but sometimes the difficulty becomes an end in itself i.e. musical gymnastics where the listener is invariably the loser

Very true

i think live a lot carl's complexity was lost in the speed they played the songs at, Welcome Back My Friends Specifically, but on the studio versions the things Carl is doing are mind-blowing, especially Tarkus and as you mentioned Toccatta.

I actually have a few Mahivishnu albums but havn't really given them a proper listen yet.
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probably not very hard but the "drum solos" on Aja by Steve Gadd gives me an orgasme (seriously). so intence and hypnotic,

Phil Collins on Colony of Slippermen, is also quite something
 
John Wethers have some insane (yet sounds simple) drum part on Way of Life and In the Glass House are quite hard
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Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Captain Beefheart-Sugar And Spikes
Frank Zappa-The Black Page #1
anything with Tatsuya Yoshida

Those are all good choices.  Henry Cow's drumming is always pretty complex as well, same goes for groups like Univers Zero. 
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also Virgil Donati is insane (in a positive way)
 
this will give you somthing to think about
 
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Please check out Jon Hiseman (this track features the late Gary Moore as well). As much as I'm a fan of ELP/Carl Palmer I suspect this guy might be a bit better!
 
 
this is a bit more complex featuring the orginal Colosseum line up. Also shows where Rush got the idea for La Villa Strangiato from!


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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Please check out Jon Hiseman (this track features the late Gary Moore as well). As much as I'm a fan of ELP/Carl Palmer I suspect this guy might be a bit better!
 

wow thats a side of Gary Moore i havn't seen before. And very impressive drumming aswell, i'll be sure to check out more of that stuff
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Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Please check out Jon Hiseman (this track features the late Gary Moore as well). As much as I'm a fan of ELP/Carl Palmer I suspect this guy might be a bit better!
 

wow thats a side of Gary Moore i havn't seen before. And very impressive drumming aswell, i'll be sure to check out more of that stuff
yep there's about 3 Colosseum II albums I know of. War Dance and Electric Savage are the best imo but very hard to come by nowadays. Hopefully might see some reissues in the near future.
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Red, One More Red Nightmare, and Fallen Angel on the Red album King Crimson

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Originally posted by let prog reign let prog reign wrote:

Red, One More Red Nightmare, and Fallen Angel on the Red album King Crimson

Love Bruford
One of the best albums for drummingClap
 
Also don't forget UK's debut (I'm sure you havn't!)
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Nothing really compares with Bobby Jarzombek or Jean-François Richardas far as progressive metal drumming goes...
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Fusion is full of them.
 
Lenny White, Billy Cobham, Michael Walden, Pierre Moerlen, Pip Pyle, Steve Gadd, Tony Williams, Jack DeJohnette, etc, etc..
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Egg really were ahead of their time: 


Oh, and some Captain Beefheart too! 


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Egg really were ahead of their time: 


Egg were fantastic and i'm surprised how little they get mentioned around here, Mont Campbell was one of the great prog Bassists
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