rematpac wrote: Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks rematpac wrote: Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) Fail! And it was never called Karn Eval 9. I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough. When you see the words Karn Evil,does that make you think of the word 'carnival"?It doesn't me.But when you see how they originally spelled it "Karn Eval",it makes you wonder why they misspelled the word "evil".I finally figured out the reason after it had been right in my face all these decades.Actually I didn't figure it out by myself,one of your members told me yesterday that what Sinfield had meant was" Carnival 9".We can pretty much guess that the number 9 came from "Revolution 9" from The Beatle's White Album,and as for the words K-A-R-N-E-V-A-L,that came from the word C-A-R-N-I-V-A-L,and that's exactly what the lyrics in the 1st movement talk all about,"Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends...",a carnival in the distant future when people have become so decadent that the show is comprised of some very carnally evil spectacles.Just listen to the lyrics.I had both the record and cassette and the work was spelled "Karn Eval 9" on both and yes I could not figure out why they mispelled evil until I was informed the words came from"carnival".It has since officially been changed to "Karn Evil 9",I realize,but when it was 1st out it was DEFINITELY spelled "Karn Eval 9" and if you think about it ,it was a very logical thing to do.But probably like me,not many people understood the double message(which should have been obvious),so they changed it for good.If you don't believe me,put the question up for ALL your ELP fan's,I am plenty confident that someone else will remember or figure it out themselves.Or better yet,you can ask Greg Lake yourself by sending him a message to his youtube site. You've said all this already and simply repeating it does not make any more valid. Just because it sounds logical in your head doesn't make it truth. It doesn't take much thought to work out the "pun" in Karn Evil - I managed to work that one out in 1973 along with everyone else (except you apparently). It was never released as "Karn Eval" so what it was called before release is anelephant - Echoes was called Looking Through the Knothole in Granny's Wooden Leg but it was released as Echoes so it is called Echoes and it is known as Echoes. It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9.

rematpac wrote: It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9.

Snow Dog wrote: rematpac wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks rematpac wrote: Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) Fail! And it was never called Karn Eval 9. I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough. It was changed and that is a historical prog fact that you can easily verify if you want to simply by asking Lake why they first spelled it KARN EVAL 9.It's also obvious:CARNIVAL-KARNEVAL. Carnival = Karn Evil is also obvious. Karn Eval however makes no sense.

Of course it makes sense.They only had to change 2 rather than 3 letters.I'll admit years ago it didn't make sense to me either,that's why they changed it.Alright,I'm pissed.I am going to email Greg Lake right now!

...has he replied yet?

rematpac wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9. Searching for "Karn Eval 9" using google or any other search engine does not yield irrefutable proof in the form of photographic evidence from album covers or official track listings on databases - what you get is a whole list of numpties who spelt it wrong in reviews and in posts on internet forums like this one. Go to your garage, open the box, pull out the poster, take a photograph of it and post it here, but if it is not an official Manticore published poster then don't bother. Even official stuff can have typos. I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers.

I am waiting with bated breath. 

Edited by Henry Plainview - March 30 2011 at 08:19

 

rematpac wrote: There's a lot of abstract(atonal)music in Karn Evil 9 formerly Karn Eval 9.

Those two words do not mean the same thing and neither of them apply to Karn Evil 9. 

rematpac wrote: I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers.

Henry Plainview wrote: rematpac wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9. Searching for "Karn Eval 9" using google or any other search engine does not yield irrefutable proof in the form of photographic evidence from album covers or official track listings on databases - what you get is a whole list of numpties who spelt it wrong in reviews and in posts on internet forums like this one. Go to your garage, open the box, pull out the poster, take a photograph of it and post it here, but if it is not an official Manticore published poster then don't bother. Even official stuff can have typos. I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers. I am waiting with bated breath.

Anotherthing,when I 1st saw the name of the work KARN EVAL 9,it wasn't on Brain Salad Surgery,but on the 1st ELP albums I bought which was a double cassette version of Welcome Back My Friends which I unbelieveably bought at the local large food market right behind one of the cashiers where they used to keep the individual packs of cigarrettes in the 60's in a small oblong wooden box with a sliding plastic door in 1974.That's how good my memory is and that's why I know it wasn't just a typo because it was all over the place on both the studio and live albums and cassettes.

Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers. How old are you? Five? (with apologies to all 5 year-olds reading this). I sincerely want you to be proved right - nothing would please me more. I don't want rumour, guesses or vague rusty memories I want proven irrefutable facts - nothing else matters. Seriously. If it was originally called Karn Eval on early releases then that's bloody marvellous - a fantastic piece of archive history forgotten for 38 years - brilliant. But if it's not, or can't be proven then it's nothing.

Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: Anotherthing,when I 1st saw the name of the work KARN EVAL 9,it wasn't on Brain Salad Surgery,but on the 1st ELP albums I bought which was a double cassette version of Welcome Back My Friends which I unbelieveably bought at the local large food market right behind one of the cashiers where they used to keep the individual packs of cigarrettes in the 60's in a small oblong wooden box with a sliding plastic door in 1974.That's how good my memory is and that's why I know it wasn't just a typo because it was all over the place on both the studio and live albums and cassettes. OMG! Are you being serious?     You really are a troll aren't you.   Well done, you had us going there for a minute     Now, go away.