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Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

Originally posted by tary tary wrote:

JETHRO TULL easily!!!
 
Both are amazing bands, but Jethro Tull is uncomparable!!! Tull's 70s albums are amazingly amazing, they are many great metal bands' favourite band! even Iron Maiden adores them!
 
Thick As A Brick is the most beautiful progressive rock song ever written!


http://www.angelfire.com/biz/pjah/bdickinson.html

LOL

It's saying "more obscure JT albums", not "the whole JT catalogue".
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Tull all the way.
Martin Barre beats erm.. who plays guitar for vdgg again?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by refugee refugee wrote:

Originally posted by tary tary wrote:

JETHRO TULL easily!!!
 
Both are amazing bands, but Jethro Tull is uncomparable!!! Tull's 70s albums are amazingly amazing, they are many great metal bands' favourite band! even Iron Maiden adores them!
 
Thick As A Brick is the most beautiful progressive rock song ever written!


http://www.angelfire.com/biz/pjah/bdickinson.html

LOL

It's saying "more obscure JT albums", not "the whole JT catalogue".


My point was that Bruce Dickinson also adores VdGG, so your argument goes both ways.

Just for the record: I love both bands, but VdGG happens to be my favourite band, so they got my vote.

EDIT: "your" instead of "Dayvenkirq’s". Embarrassed


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Originally posted by wjohnd wjohnd wrote:

Tull all the way.
Martin Barre beats erm.. who plays guitar for vdgg again?

Likewise here. Good point.
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VdGG by the mile.
This night wounds time.
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can't vote but im going with Van der Graff Generator... though I like JT, they've never been one of my faves and I can't say they ever emotionally jolted me.. made me laugh quite a bit though... the sardonic humor is appreciated... But i prefer the claustrophobic madness of Hammill
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By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativety and melody Smile
Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the isntrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)


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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:




By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativity and melody Smile
Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the instrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)


Ah... popular = bad,   an age old cry from the elitist.
Now i'm not saying popular always = good either, but sl*g.ing off the guitar because it has been used to attract girls? Sad and tells me something.. no lets not go there


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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativety and melody Smile
Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the isntrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)


And saxophones go back to at least the 40s, and other instruments like piano or violin even further back in time, so your point is...?
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Yes, I know.
Andy Tillison is a great VdGG fan.
And it's hard to vote against Refugees and Man Erg.
 
But ... these days ... I'm more into JT.
 
Last friday I finally received the Stand Up - 3 disc collectors edition.
And who can beat four little cardboard pop-up musicians? LOL
 
 
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativety and melody Smile
 
That's simply wrong, I would lend you my recordings of Segovia, Django or Paco de Lucia to show you haven't a clue in this regard.
 
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the isntrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)
 
Wait...picking up chicks is a bad thing? Oh wait, let me guess, in high school you were one of the geeks in band hall with your tuba and a handful of lotion, while  the guys with guitars in rock bands got all the girls.LOL


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What has all this talk about guitar have to do with anything? Though Barre is my favourite guitar player, it's not the guitar in JT, or the lack of it in VDGG, that makes me prefer the former. Flute over saxophone any day, I say.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativety and melody Smile
 
That's simply wrong, I would lend you my recordings of Segovia, Django or Paco de Lucia to show you haven't a clue in this regard.
 
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the isntrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)
 
Wait...picking up chicks is a bad thing? Oh wait, let me guess, in high school you were one of the geeks in band hall with your tuba and a handful of lotion, while  the guys with guitars in rock bands got all the girls.LOL
 
We're talking about music. Not chicks Cool
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativety and melody Smile
 
That's simply wrong, I would lend you my recordings of Segovia, Django or Paco de Lucia to show you haven't a clue in this regard.
 
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the isntrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)
 
Wait...picking up chicks is a bad thing? Oh wait, let me guess, in high school you were one of the geeks in band hall with your tuba and a handful of lotion, while  the guys with guitars in rock bands got all the girls.LOL
 
We're talking about music. Not chicks Cool
 
I realize that "Dr. Prog", but you made the daft proposition that guitarists lack creativity and melody - a definite headscratcher from someone with a doctorate in "progtology" Ermm. I offered three masters of their craft and you made no reply. I would suggest that the ability to "pick up chicks" is a byproduct of good musicianship (one doesn't merely have a guitar sitting around and "voila" you're a chick magnet, although having a Harley does the trick), and it is also a musician's innate need for recognition (a musician without ego is a failed artist).
 
What exactly have you got against the guitar? It is portable. One can play an entire song with it (unlike a bassoon or a tuba). You can sing while you play. You can add another instrument (I strap a blues harp around my neck). And if you are in a band that at least plays in bars, from personal experience I can tell you, you do have the ability to pick up the ladies. Beyond that, one can play incredibly complex compositions or simple folk tunes, be gritty or lyrical, play metal or downright beautiful melodies on a guitar. As Liebniz would say, "You have the best of all possible worlds".
 
So who pissed on your plectrum, proggy?
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

By choosing the guitar as your instrument says alot about your lack of creativety and melody Smile
 
That's simply wrong, I would lend you my recordings of Segovia, Django or Paco de Lucia to show you haven't a clue in this regard.
 
Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

Was a different thing in the late 60s though after Hendrix made the isntrument cool for a while. But after the early 70s the guitar is the last instrument I'd want to learn especially that most people choose guitar as an instrument and that's mainly to pick up chicks. Doesn't matter how crap the music is ;)
 
Wait...picking up chicks is a bad thing? Oh wait, let me guess, in high school you were one of the geeks in band hall with your tuba and a handful of lotion, while  the guys with guitars in rock bands got all the girls.LOL
 
We're talking about music. Not chicks Cool
 
I realize that "Dr. Prog", but you made the daft proposition that guitarists lack creativity and melody - a definite headscratcher from someone with a doctorate in "progtology" Ermm. I offered three masters of their craft and you made no reply. I would suggest that the ability to "pick up chicks" is a byproduct of good musicianship (one doesn't merely have a guitar sitting around and "voila" you're a chick magnet, although having a Harley does the trick), and it is also a musician's innate need for recognition (a musician without ego is a failed artist).
 
What exactly have you got against the guitar? It is portable. One can play an entire song with it (unlike a bassoon or a tuba). You can sing while you play. You can add another instrument (I strap a blues harp around my neck). And if you are in a band that at least plays in bars, from personal experience I can tell you, you do have the ability to pick up the ladies. Beyond that, one can play incredibly complex compositions or simple folk tunes, be gritty or lyrical, play metal or downright beautiful melodies on a guitar. As Liebniz would say, "You have the best of all possible worlds".
 
So who pissed on your plectrum, proggy?
 
I'm talking more about rock guitarists who started after 1975. The pre 75 guitarists in prog bands played like jazz guitarists. That's the way guitar should be played. They just played their bits within a melody. It was never about riff and solos. But they knew how to play a good solo though. Classical guitarists are pretty pure these days too. No influence of 80s, 90s and 00s rock Big smile. But when it comes to electric guitar, i can't stand the sound they get post 1983. The whole concept of guitar just sucks since the mid 80s though. The sound, the image, the control they want to have over a song. If I had a prog band, I'd only apply for a jazz guitarist. Either that or just play simple bits myself Tongue


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^ And why are you writing this?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ And why are you writing this?
 
Cos it's the reason why old prog is the only prog Smile
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^ Oh, we are talking just about prog. OK.

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

a musician without ego is a failed artist.

Sounds like a quote said by a wise man. Who said it originally?


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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:


Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

a musician without ego is a failed artist.

Sounds like a quote said by a wise man. Who said it originally?
 
I don't know. Since I am not wise, I must have paraphrased someone. Wink
 
But George Bernard Shaw once said:

"Hell is full of musical amateurs.
Music is the brandy of the damned."
 
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Major Tull-skull here, so you know my vote.  And I don't care who else likes who - it's my vote.
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