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kirklott
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 01 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 623 |
Topic: Lets Hear It for Citizen Cain Posted: June 22 2005 at 18:20 |
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His lyrics are highly original, and highly provocative of both emotion and intellect. |
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:42 | |||||||||||||||||||
"Raising" was also my first CC experience: I was impressed but also quite confused. it's not a reccomended entry - "Serpents" and "Somewhere" are. It took me a while to notice and enjoy the geinus of the "Raising" repertoire - purchasing their two first CDs certainly helped me to put things in perspective regarding all the labyrinthian complexity of "Raising". I enjoyed "Palying Dead" less, but still I feel it as a very good prog album - it is as emotionally dark as "Raising" but a bit rockier and a bit less complex. Regards. Edited by Cesar Inca |
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Cesar Inca
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 17:40 | |||||||||||||||||||
THAT'S RIGHT !! 'Somewhere' and 'Raising' are among the best 90s symphonic (neo-)prog recordings I've ever got to know. Strong compositions, complex arrangements, robust performances, and as a plus, hyper-fantastic lyrics, very much influenced by the apocalyptical delusions of the great poet-visionary John Milton.
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Cinema
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 12:28 | |||||||||||||||||||
[QUOTE=kirklott]
Well, their last release (2002) took 5 years, so there's I completely agree with Kirklott, Serpents is absolutely as good as Yesterday. And by the way, has anyone paid attention to Cyrus' lyrics? They're quite bizarre. Definitely fascinating in there own right. Edited by Cinema |
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kirklott
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 11:44 | |||||||||||||||||||
Well, their last release (2002) took 5 years, so there's hope yet. I just hope they return to a 5-person line up and create something as great as Somewhere But Yesterday. And to think that album only took a year. (progarchive ratings below). And btw, I think Serpents is easily as good as Yesterday.
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symphomaniac
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 09:11 | |||||||||||||||||||
Great band - great, and totally unappreciated (by many), music. Anyone know whatever happened to them ?????
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sigod
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 08:25 | |||||||||||||||||||
Citizen Cain - Hooray!
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BiGi
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Posted: June 22 2005 at 04:51 | |||||||||||||||||||
The two tracks available on Progarchives (Silently seeking Euridice and Children of Fire) made a very good impression on me.
I love Peter Gabriel's voice, and Cyrus is quite similar. I must admit, however, that the first run of Serpents in Camouflage has left me somewhat disappointed: the songs are not bad, but they could have used some editing, since they seem to linger pointlessly for too long...I must anyway give it a second listen |
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Cinema
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 21:27 | |||||||||||||||||||
P] Did you know 90125's original name was The New Yes Album? I did indeed know that. Did you know that, way back when Yes first started, the name of the band was going to be Life? It only changed to Yes when Peter Banks extemporaneously suggested "Yes" as a name. |
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dalt99
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 19:59 | |||||||||||||||||||
My first Cain cd was Raising the Stones and while I liked it alot at first listen, it took me more than 5 or so listens (intense listens) to really LOVE it. I didn't care much for the different moods of the songs at first the way it was technical one song, then atmospheric the next, BUT now I totally get what they are doing and I love every song on the cd. If you only listened to it a couple times AND was trying to compare it to their first 2 albums while listening to it, then you really need to give it another shot. The melodies are ALL OVER THE PLACE and wonderful. It's just a much more complicated album than the first two but still wonderful. It is much less like Genesis than the first two albums though - a bit more like ELP with the keyboard playing in parts. Maybe that threw you off too. I will be honest in saying that I haven't really gotten into "Playing Dead" yet. It's a LOT harder to find the melodies IMO. I haven't had much luck except for a couple of the songs. I do like the guitar sound however. |
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Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
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kirklott
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 17:52 | |||||||||||||||||||
Hey, to all good people on this thread, I also HIGHLY recommend the band Little Atlas. Amazing. See my review below. You can hear sound files and order the album from www.progrockrecords.com and www.kinesiscd.com My review: Progarchives asks you to confirm a 5-star rating, and there's little hesitation here: Little Atlas is the best new prog band I've heard in years. If I recall, I've heard some comparisons to Spock's Beard, which are unfounded because Little Atlas is better (with this album being on par with Spock's all-time best, Beware of Darkness). Historical references: you hear a bit of the atmosphere of Genesis, the expertise of Yes, the quirkiness of Gentle Giant. Where to start: the musicianship from everyone is excellent (the one downside - a bit too much guitar from the King Crimson Discipline era). The vocals are interesting and unique: so many prog singers are either Gabrielesque, or airy fairy Anderson, but the vocals are - in a happy way - more similar to someone belting out fantastic tales at an old pub. The songs are epic in structure and very serendipitous, yet somehow Little Atlas manages to achieve in say, 7 minutes, what might take a lesser band 14 minutes. Each track is a mini-epic. But the best quality is the songwriting: the melodies are timeless, remarkable, and stay with you. This is a great album recommended to any prog fan. |
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kirklott
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 17:29 | |||||||||||||||||||
My Cinema user name is a nod to the name the band adopted during the 90125 era When Jon Anderson rejoined they changed their name back to Yes.[/QUOTE] Did you know 90125's original name was The New Yes Album? That would have been cool...albeit a little confusing. |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:46 | |||||||||||||||||||
Ahhh...yes Greg Walker...how could i forget? Great stuff there. I plan to order it when i place my next order. Thanks.
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Cinema
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:38 | |||||||||||||||||||
Kirklott, thanks for the love and positive vibes. One can never have enough of either coming his or her way. As for Yes, they're among my all-time favorite artists, and Keystudio ranks up there as one of my favorite Yes albums. My Cinema user name is a nod to the name the band adopted during the 90125 era When Jon Anderson rejoined they changed their name back to Yes. |
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Cinema
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:31 | |||||||||||||||||||
Kirklott, Playing Dead is a great album. It's actually the album that turned me on to Citizen Cain. From there I fell in love with Serpents in Camouflage and Somewhere But Yesterday. The biggest difference, in my opinion, is that Playing Dead has a heavier, more foreboding <sp.> feel to it. |
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Salmacis72
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:16 | |||||||||||||||||||
They are not the 5-star classics that those two albums are, for sure. But they are really good still. Some people are turned off by the general sound of Raising The Stones but it's got some killer moments nonetheless. I can't think of any other CC that gets as upbeat as "Enamel Faced Queen"... If you go into each album already undertanding that it will not be as good as SBY then you are safe. |
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kirklott
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 16:11 | |||||||||||||||||||
OK, Salmacis, my soul brother along with Dalt99 and Cinema, do Raising the Stones and Playing Dead ever get upbeat, like To Hack the Enamel Faced Queen or the title track of Serpents? I had Raising the Stones, and it sounded like two dudes with keyboards doing this lethargic stuff without melodies. I jetted it quick. Perhaps I didn't listen to it enough times? And as for Playing Dead, I wasn't impressed by the MP3 samples on the band's web site. Perhaps their not good clips? Again, they just didn't sound like the all-around, 5-star classics that are Somewhere But Yesterday and Serpents. What's your read on this? Edited by kirklott |
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Salmacis72
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 15:48 | |||||||||||||||||||
I have all of their albums. Somewhere But Yesterday is my favourite, but I also love Raising The Stones (what an intro!!), and their most recent Playing Dead, which is autographed by the whole band.
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dalt99
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 15:26 | |||||||||||||||||||
GAK! I still need to get The Watch. I forget to buy them for some reason. Good descriptions my friend Kirklott! Axl Rose huh? LOL, well, sort of yah. His voice does take a bit getting used to that's for sure. Not bad, just a bit in-your-face singing. I don't think Ad Infinitum are overrated though. NOBODY mentions them LOL. I agree that they aren't super great but if you love Genesis, they are a band to look into at some point anyway I enjoy them but my friend, who is a big Genesis fan, really likes them. Though he says they are a bit too "mellow". |
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Best of 2006 that I've heard:
PFM-Stati Di Immaginazione Zenit-Surrender (Best "unknown" album) Oaksenham - Conquest of Pacific 2007: Phideaux - Doomsday Afternoon La Torre Del Alchimista - Neo |
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kirklott
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Posted: June 21 2005 at 15:03 | |||||||||||||||||||
I'd start with their best, SOMEWHERE BUT YESTERDAY. The third track, "To Dance the Enamel-Faced Queen," is the best and most intense 11 minutes of music Gabriel-era Genesis never made. Edited by kirklott |
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