Is NATO going to help the rebels win in Lybia?

It's curious how many people seem to forget that the mighty UN is just a collection of governments, the same governments that can rape and kill to gain power and money. Why people believe there is some kind of moral superiority in a decision coming from the UN is beyond me. It's as if, somehow, a meeting of the Five Families of La Cosa Nostra would be morally impeccable because it comes from a consensus among all five of them...

The T wrote: It's curious how many people seem to forget that the mighty UN is just a collection of governments, the same governments that can rape and kill to gain power and money. Why people believe there is some kind of moral superiority in a decision coming from the UN is beyond me. It's as if, somehow, a meeting of the Five Families of La Cosa Nostra would be morally impeccable because it comes from a consensus among all five of them...

I don't find it so unfathomable. After all, it was the UN who was responsible for setting the standars of human rights in contamporary society with the Human Rights bill of 1958. Most other laws on the subject (passed on nations) use that bill of rights as its measiring stick / template.

The T wrote: It's curious how many people seem to forget that the mighty UN is just a collection of governments, the same governments that can rape and kill to gain power and money. Why people believe there is some kind of moral superiority in a decision coming from the UN is beyond me. It's as if, somehow, a meeting of the Five Families of La Cosa Nostra would be morally impeccable because it comes from a consensus among all five of them...

The media and our leaders have made so many people believe for many years, that the UN is on the side of humanity, and when the security council vote to impoverish or bomb a nation, it's for humanitarian reasons. People fall for it. Every time. The double speak is incredible, but so many people feel that the decisions of their leaders alone can not always be trusted on the world stage - and with good reason - so, they prefer leaders with similar such dubious credentials to congregate and make decisions together.

It is possible to confuse co-operation with collusion.

Eärendil wrote: In general, the police bullsh*t just needs to stop.  America needs to stop lying to their citizens and to other nations by pretending they actually care about freedom worldwide, when their real motives are completely selfish.  It's about control over people who hate America, rightfully so, and about oil.  It's disgusting to see how people here have actually gotten used to these "conflicts" in the middle-east, and have accepted these wars as normal, along with all the lives lost from it.  It's terrible that America, along with much of Europe, is falling apart internally, yet they continue to mess with issues that don't concern them.  Freedom is won by the people, not by another government.

I agree there is a certain amount of desensitization to conflict because there is so much of it about. The extent to which we are involved is worrying. The situation in Yemen is now almost as bad as Libya in terms of being perilously close to civil war, but it's barely making the news, although I guess that may change in the days ahead. It's reported there, that rebels, including Al Queada fighters have ceased a southern town. It will be interesting to see how the NATO 'One world army' deals with that one.

However the situation to keep a close eye on is Pakistan. Militants stormed a naval facility there last week, and British press reported that Obama has said he would put troops on the ground there, with or without the consent of Pakistan, if their nukes came under threat. This coincided with a warning from China, after the alleged killing of OBL, that the US MUST respect Pakistani sovereignty, and any attack on Pakistan would interpreted as an attack on China.

CCVP wrote: cannon wrote: UN=United Nothing   I was very knieve about the UN until I talked to a former employee. At that time I was deeply saddened and dissappointed from what I heard. The UN security council is basically hog tied. Russia and China pretty much vote against the rest of the members. yes, that's because either one of them will have their sphere of influence affected if the US, UK and France decide to do anything funny east of Bosphorus.

Quite right.
As many in the world want...the time of the US being the sole superpower on Earth is quickly coming to an end.
The result?
Now we can have a bunch of superpowers running the world!
YAY!

Wait....

But hey freedom is all about choice right? If you are a small or developing country America isn't your only colonizer! You can choose to be indebted to the US, Russia, China, Indonesia in a few years. Hell Caio, even your Brazil will be getting in on it!


Edited by JJLehto - May 29 2011 at 11:34

Well you guys are on your way!
All other countries in South America thought they'd be politically and economically independent but Brazil is back!

CCVP wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well you guys are on your way! All other countries in South America thought they'd be politically and economically independent but Brazil is back! Yes, most other countries in South America are hugely dependent on us now. Aregentina, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay have at least one third of their exports directed to us, with Venezuela not far behind. The one whoi's most dependent is Bolivia, I think.

Indeed. I was also being a bit silly of course, modern colonization isn't cool

Though I know the US and Brazil has had a....lukewarm relationship, can we finally be friends in our co-ruling of this side of the Atlantic?


Edited by JJLehto - May 30 2011 at 19:21

CCVP wrote: JJLehto wrote: CCVP wrote: JJLehto wrote: Well you guys are on your way! All other countries in South America thought they'd be politically and economically independent but Brazil is back! Yes, most other countries in South America are hugely dependent on us now. Aregentina, Uruguay, Bolivia and Paraguay have at least one third of their exports directed to us, with Venezuela not far behind. The one whoi's most dependent is Bolivia, I think. Indeed. I was also being a bit silly of course, modern colonization isn't cool Though I know the US and Brazil has had a....lukewarm relationship, can we finally be friends in our co-ruling of this side of the Atlantic? Sure, but you is better gonna share dat nukes then, Merrika ma boi!

How bout we both run for President? We will have a great relationship, share nukes and dominate the America's.

Let's keep on topic, gentlemen. Please. 

Edited by Atkingani - May 30 2011 at 19:48

The Colonel is going down.