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ExittheLemming
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:12 |
The Nice did a nifty cover version of the Mort Garson Aries track on the BBC sessions album. Although I think it's Jackson singing/shouting? he sounds (gulp) demonic on this number.
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:32 |
I actually like The Nice more than ELP and listen to them more often. Their raw approach is effective and enjoyable when the listener considers them primarily a psychedelic band with some progressiveness.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 18:52 |
Eärendil wrote:
I actually like The Nice more than ELP and listen to them more often. Their raw approach is effective and enjoyable when the listener considers them primarily a psychedelic band with some progressiveness.
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The Nice were perhaps a jazzier, more organic and less refined sounding beast than ELP and I agree that the former's earlier material is 3 parts psychedelia, one part RnB with a garnish of proggyness to taste (I love em both BTW)
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 19:41 |
richardh wrote:
giselle wrote:
The concept of The Nice - a Rock organ trio - came from 1-2-3 (later Clouds). O'List was sacrificied for this concept. |
O'List was actually kicked out the group for similar reasons that Pink Floyd left Syd Barrett behind. I spoke to Davy about 6 years ago and he didn't have a bad word to say for Keith and I think was glad that he was given his 'wake up call'. Keith Emerson did toy with the idea of bringing Steve Howe into the band and they spent a day hanging out but in the end Howe decided he wanted to stay with the band he was in at the time (this was a good few years before Yes). |
Didn't O'List play with Pink Floyd on a few early gigs before Gilmour stepped in? I really enjoyed his guitar work on Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack.
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 19:42 |
I've always liked The Nice. I like their pop songs, some of which, like Cry of Eugene, are quite brilliant. Emerson often seems to want a bawdy lyric, which you can even see in his solo band's studio album, which makes some of the Nice's pop songs lyrics a little seedy, but the music is still often good writing. It's too bad O'List disbanded from them as he wasn't a bad guitarist. Wasn't he the lead singer in the beginning?
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: August 16 2011 at 20:00 |
iluvmarillion wrote:
richardh wrote:
giselle wrote:
The concept of The Nice - a Rock organ trio - came from 1-2-3 (later Clouds). O'List was sacrificied for this concept. |
O'List was actually kicked out the group for similar reasons that Pink Floyd left Syd Barrett behind. I spoke to Davy about 6 years ago and he didn't have a bad word to say for Keith and I think was glad that he was given his 'wake up call'. Keith Emerson did toy with the idea of bringing Steve Howe into the band and they spent a day hanging out but in the end Howe decided he wanted to stay with the band he was in at the time (this was a good few years before Yes). |
Didn't O'List play with Pink Floyd on a few early gigs before Gilmour stepped in? I really enjoyed his guitar work on Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack. |
Yep, O'List was often asked to substitute on guitar for an AWOL Barrett (he knew Floyd's material note for note in those days) O'List handles the lead vocals on the title track (and single) from The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack album (and you can hear what a great singer he was but was reputedly so shy about singing live he steadfastly declined - shame really, as it would have applied a band-aid to their Achiles heel: the vocals on the song based material)
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richardh
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 01:55 |
brainstormer wrote:
I've always liked The Nice. I like their pop songs, some of which, like Cry of Eugene, are quite brilliant. Emerson often seems to want a bawdy lyric, which you can even see in his solo band's studio album, which makes some of the Nice's pop songs lyrics a little seedy, but the music is still often good writing. It's too bad O'List disbanded from them as he wasn't a bad guitarist. Wasn't he the lead singer in the beginning?
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I suspect Lee Jackson was likely responsible for the bawdy lyrics.Apparently Jackson was quite successfull with the 'ladies' in those days
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 02:42 |
(oh no, someone with the same user icon as me!) Yeah, I can't say I've been able to get into ELP that much, although they have some moments that I like. I picked up Elegy just last week just because it was cheap enough. I though side A of the tape was actually quite nice and I felt it deserved a bit better, but then again, I think reviewers mentioned it having many different versions of the older songs.
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 09:24 |
1-2-3 also did a version of Nut Rocker which was later picked up by ELP.
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Posted: August 17 2011 at 14:36 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
iluvmarillion wrote:
richardh wrote:
giselle wrote:
The concept of The Nice - a Rock organ trio - came from 1-2-3 (later Clouds). O'List was sacrificied for this concept. |
O'List was actually kicked out the group for similar reasons that Pink Floyd left Syd Barrett behind. I spoke to Davy about 6 years ago and he didn't have a bad word to say for Keith and I think was glad that he was given his 'wake up call'. Keith Emerson did toy with the idea of bringing Steve Howe into the band and they spent a day hanging out but in the end Howe decided he wanted to stay with the band he was in at the time (this was a good few years before Yes). |
Didn't O'List play with Pink Floyd on a few early gigs before Gilmour stepped in? I really enjoyed his guitar work on Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack. |
Yep, O'List was often asked to substitute on guitar for an AWOL Barrett (he knew Floyd's material note for note in those days) O'List handles the lead vocals on the title track (and single) from The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack album (and you can hear what a great singer he was but was reputedly so shy about singing live he steadfastly declined - shame really, as it would have applied a band-aid to their Achiles heel: the vocals on the song based material)
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O'List only stepped in for Syd once. It was on the package tour with Jimi Hendrix and The Nice.
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 04:06 |
I don't think Emerson copied Ritchie, they were two completely different kinds of players. As far as I can see, the only thing Emerson used from Ritchie was the standing up/leading role sort of thing, nothing to do with the playing at all.
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 05:03 |
NickHall wrote:
I don't think Emerson copied Ritchie, they were two completely different kinds of players. As far as I can see, the only thing Emerson used from Ritchie was the standing up/leading role sort of thing, nothing to do with the playing at all. |
Yes, I think Emerson's approach was much more similar to Don Shinn - jazzy phrasings, rocked up classics, reverb crashing/mucking about with the electronics etc. And Emerson has acknowledged Shinn as a big influence, so if he was heavily influenced by Ritchie I would have thought he'd mention that too.
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 05:24 |
I agree about the playing approach. I think Ritchie’s contribution was to show that organ could be a leading instrument, even to the exclusion of guitars. Also, standing not sitting was significant, as simple as that seems to us today. There’s certainly no direct evidence that Emerson was influenced by any of this, though he was apparently in the audience many times when 1-2-3 played there. It must be also possible that it was all a natural progression. But Ritchie was certainly first to take a leading role.
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Posted: August 18 2011 at 16:14 |
I get fed up with people having a go at Emerson because he's the best. OK, Billy Ritchie was pretty good, but just because he was the first guy to do it, don't make him the best. Let's face it, he was boring next to Emerson.
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Posted: August 19 2011 at 10:47 |
I remember an interview with Queen's producer Roy Thomas Baker where he said Brian May was a huge fan of Davy O'List's guitar playing and would often be down the Marquee watching The Nice. Baker produced an album by O'List's post-Nice band Jet - totally unlike The Nice, sort of Glam rock with flashy guitar playing and almost a new wave feel.
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 00:11 |
NickHall wrote:
I get fed up with people having a go at Emerson because he's the best. OK, Billy Ritchie was pretty good, but just because he was the first guy to do it, don't make him the best. Let's face it, he was boring next to Emerson. |
So he should have jumped around a bit more? Would that have made the music better? Personally, I like both of them, I don't see a need for comparison.
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KingCrInuYasha
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Posted: August 21 2011 at 23:08 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
I remember an interview with Queen's producer Roy
Thomas Baker where he said Brian May was a huge fan of Davy O'List's
guitar playing and would often be down the Marquee watching The Nice.
Baker produced an album by O'List's post-Nice band Jet - totally unlike
The Nice, sort of Glam rock with flashy guitar playing and almost a new
wave feel.
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Never noticed that. That solo he does on "Lazing On A Sunday Afternoon" does sound like a bit like O'List's style of playing.
ExittheLemming wrote:
O'List handles the lead vocals on the title track (and single) from The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack album (and you can hear what a great singer he was but was reputedly so shy about singing live he steadfastly declined - shame really, as it would have applied a band-aid to their Achiles heel: the vocals on the song based material)
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Personally, Lee Jackson wasn't a bad vocalist, however I admit the guy could be hit or miss. Compare say, the Live version of "Ars Longa Vita Brevis" during the show at Fairfield Hall (Sept. 29, 1968) to the studio version. The former has him delivering a larger than life performance, as if he was in some sort of swashbuckler flick. The energy on the studio version, on the other hand, is just gone. BTW, O'List does some good singing on the original version of "Azrael" and the chorus of "Tantalising Maggie"
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Posted: August 22 2011 at 00:24 |
Back in 2004 I ran across a website (unknown to me now), where someone was selling a live recording of the Nice with Ritchie Blackmore on guitar. I guess you had to submit a fee and the person would transfer it to cd and mail it to your address. Apparently Ritchie Blackmore sat in for one night. I remember researching it and finding the information about that particular gig. I am going to do a search on it now.
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Posted: August 22 2011 at 00:55 |
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Posted: August 22 2011 at 01:14 |
From the Peace-Pop-World-Concert on 30th March 1970 at the Berliner Sportpalast ....Berlin, Germany......Christ I thought Blackmore would have sat in on "Rondo" but apparently not. This is strange
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