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    Posted: June 29 2005 at 06:04

These guys were on the Charisma label (at the VDGG, Genesis , Audience times) and were certainly progressive/experimental. They are as difficult as The Third Ear Band.

So prog or not? Inclusion or not?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:23
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

These guys were on the Charisma label (at the VDGG, Genesis , Audience times)

 

Don't forget Capability Brown from your list - my copy of Keep Death The Road (Drive On The Pavement), on an album bought from a radio station, had been scratched to death and so skips madly, therefore I'm  longing for a remastered CD or two.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:24
I vote YES. "Heartfeeder" from album "Machine That Cried" is one of the better prog anthems, including violinists Graham Smith, who would join VDGG afterwards. I don't know well the rest of the album but this song is a prog highlight.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:24
IMO of course, The machine that cried is a very good album, they remember me VDGG meet High Tide...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:46

I have not forgotten Capability Brown (especially the Lips cover album), Dick , and Lindisfarne also!

But what about String Driven Thing? The doctor's opinion is heartily awaited..,..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 07:59

I say yes because IMO The Machine that cried could easily  have been a vdgg album!It's certainly prog!

 

...But my dreams are for dreaming and best left that way-and my zero to your power of ten equals nothing at all...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 08:00
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I have not forgotten Capability Brown (especially the Lips cover album), Dick ,

 

Oh the lips cover.................................. could have a similar effect as the two Flash fold-out album sleeves

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 10:58

I would say String Driven Thing are progressive. I Like Black-Eyed Queen - not sure which album though.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 11:04
Yes Yes Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 11:22

Hey progsters...String driven thing are most certainly

(imo) progressive.

"The machine that cried" are an excellent choice

and please....notice that there are a copy of this gem

circulating (dont know wheter its a boot)with the

subtitle: "The machine that cried" The band´s official

version. Which i believe.....is the actual album...

with the full length song´s...as originally intended

by String driven thing!!!

Oh..and by the way..Capability Brown´s :"Voice"

(yes..the one with the lips) are absolutely brilliant

pop prog....with masterful vocal arrangements and

fabulous music!! So..dear progsters happy hunting!!

Tonny.

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THE FAMOUS CHARISMA LABEL
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Charisma CAS Series (1969-86)
This series was begun by Charisma's original distributor, B&C Records. The two labels shared the series until late 1971. The "?" Column indicates whether or not I have a copy of the record in my collection (Yes/No).

NUMBER ARTIST TITLE DATE US LABEL ?
CAS 1001 Merrill Moore Tree Top Tall (B&C label) 1969 N/R Y
CAS 1002 Dion & The Belmonts Together Again (B&C) 1969 ABC Y
CAS 1003 Pacific Gas & Electric Get It On (B&C) 1969 Power Y
CAS 1004 Unknown (B&C) - - N
CAS 1005 Rare Bird Rare Bird 11/69 Probe Y
CAS 1006 Unknown (probably B&C) - - N
CAS 1007 Van der Graaf Generator The Least We Can Do Is Wave To Each Other 1/70 Probe Y
CAS 1008 The Group Image
(Not released with this number; issued instead as Stable/B&C SLE 8005)
A Mouth In The Country
(originally planned for B&C -- CAS 1008 is scratched out in the groove runoff)
- - Y
CAS 1008 Joseph Eger Classical Heads 3/70 Probe Y
CAS 1009 Gordon Turner Meditation 3/70 N/R Y
CAS 1010 Atomic Rooster Atomic Roooster (B&C) 5/70 Elektra Y
CAS 1011 Rare Bird As Your Mind Flies By 9/70 ABC Y
CAS 1012 Audience Friend's Friend's Friend 5/70 N/R Y
CAS 1013 unknown - - - N
CAS 1014 The Nice Five Bridges 5/70 Mercury Y
CAS 1015 Keith Christmas Fable of the Wings (B&C) 1970 Polydor Y
CAS 1016 Harold McNair The Fence (B&C) 1970 N/R Y
CAS 1017 Trevor Billmuss Family Apology 9/70 N/R Y
CAS 1018 Jackson Heights King Progress 10/70 Mercury Y
CAS 1019 Shelagh McDonald Album (B&C) 1970 N/R Y
CAS 1020 Genesis Trespass 10/70 Impulse Y
CAS 1021 Brian Davison's Every Which Way Brian Davison's Every Which Way 9/70 Mercury Y
CAS 1022 Hannibal Hannibal (B&C) 1970 Ampex? Y
CAS 1023 Carol Grimes & Delivery Fool's Meeting (B&C) 1970 N/R Y
CAS 1024 Steamhammer Mountains (B&C) 1970 Capitol? Y
CAS 1025 Lindisfarne Nicely Out Of Tune 10/70 Elektra Y
CAS 1026 Atomic Rooster Death Walks Behind You (B&C) 12/70 Elektra Y
CAS 1027 Van der Graaf Generator H To He, Who Am The Only One 11/70 Dunhill Y
CAS 1028 Everyone Everyone (B&C) 1971 Ampex Y
CAS 1029 Steeleye Span Please to See the King (B&C) 3/71 Big Tree Y
CAS 1030 The Nice Elegy 4/71 Mercury Y
CAS 1031 Ginhouse Ginhouse (B&C) 1971 N/R Y
CAS 1032 Audience The House on the Hill 4/71 Elektra Y
CAS 1033 Marc Ellington Rains/Reins of Changes (B&C) 1971 Ampex Y
CAS 1034 Andy Roberts Home Grown (B&C) 1971 Ampex Y
CAS 1035 Tim Hart & Maddy Prior Summer Solstice (B&C) 1971 N/R? Y
CAS 1036 Birth Control Birth Control 5/71 Ampex Y
CAS 1037 Peter Hammill Fool's Mate 6/71 Charisma Y
CAS 1038 Wishful Thinking Hiroshima (B&C) 1971 Ampex Y
CAS 1039 Atacama Atacama 6/71 N/R Y
CAS 1040 Leigh Stephens Leigh Stephens And A Cast of Thousands 8/71 Philips Y
CAS 1041 Keith Christmas Pygmy (B&C) 1971 Polydor Y
CAS 1042 Spirogyra St. Radigunds (B&C) 1971 N/R Y
CAS 1043 Shelagh McDonald Stargazer (B&C) 1971 N/R Y
CAS 1044 Paul Kent Paul Kent (B&C) 1971 N/R Y
CAS 1045 Harold McNair Harold McNair
(Last B&C LP in CAS series)
1971 N/R Y
CAS 1046 Martin Carthy & Dave Swarbrick
(Not released with this number; issued instead as Pegasus PEG6)
Selections
(originally planned for B&C -- CAS 1046 is scratched out in the groove runoff)
1971 Antilles Y
CAS 1047 Shirley Collins/Albion Country Band
(Not released with this number; issued instead as Pegasus PEG7)
No Roses
(originally planned for B&C -- CAS 1047 is scratched out in the groove runoff)
1971 N/R Y
CAS 1048 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1049 Monty Python Another Monty Python Record 10/71 Charisma Y
CAS 1050 Lindisfarne Fog on the Tyne 9/71 Elektra Y
CAS 1051 Van der Graaf Generator Pawn Hearts 10/71 Charisma Y
CAS 1052 Genesis Nursery Cryme 10/71 Charisma Y
CAS 1053 Bell + Arc Bell + Arc 11/71 Columbia Y
CAS 1054 Audience Lunch 2/72 Elektra Y
CAS 1055 Spreadeagle The Piece of Paper 4/72 Charisma Y
CAS 1056 Capability Brown From Scratch 4/72 Charisma Y
CAS 1057 Lindisfarne Dingly Dell 9/72 Elektra Y
CAS 1058 Genesis Foxtrot 9/72 Charisma Y
CAS 1059 Bo Hansson Lord of the Rings 9/72 Charisma Y
CAS 1060 Atacama As The Sun Burns Up Above 9/72 N/R Y
CAS 1061 Graham Bell Graham Bell 1/73 N/R Y
CAS 1062 String Driven Thing String Driven Thing 10/72 Charisma Y
CAS 1063 Monty Python Monty Python's Previous Record 12/72 Charisma Y
CAS 1064 Jo'burg Hawk Jo'burg Hawk 1/73 N/R Y
CAS 1065 Darien Spirit Elegy to Marilyn 4/73 N/R Y
CAS 1066 Clifford T. Ward Home Thoughts 4/73 Charisma Y
CAS 1067 Peter Hammill Chameleon in the Shadow of the Night 4/73 N/R Y
CAS 1068 Capability Brown Voice 7/73 Passport Y
CAS 1069 Alan Hull Pipe Dream 7/73 Elektra Y
CAS 1070 String Driven Thing The Machine That Cried 8/73 Charisma Y
CAS 1071 Hot Thumbs O'Riley Hot Thumbs O'Riley 7/73 N/R Y
CAS 1072 Le Orme Felona & Sorona 7/73 N/R Y
CAS 1073 Bo Hansson Magician's Hat 9/73 Charisma Y
CAS 1074 Genesis Selling England by the Pound 9/73 Charisma Y
CAS 1075 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1076 Lindisfarne Roll On Ruby 11/73 Elektra Y
CAS 1077 Clifford T. Ward Mantle Pieces 11/73 Charisma Y
CAS 1078 Various Artists The Parlour Song Book 11/73 N/R N
CAS 1079 Doggerel Bank Silver Faces 10/73 N/R Y
CAS 1080 Monty Python The Monty Python Matching Tie & Handkerchief 11/73 Arista Y
CAS 1081 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1082 National Youth Jazz Orchestra National Youth Jazz Orchestra 10/73 N/R Y
CAS 1083 Peter Hammill The Silent Corner and the Empty Stage 2/74 N/R Y
CAS 1084 Robert John Godfrey The Fall of Hyperion 3/74 N/R Y
CAS 1085 Jack the Lad Jack the Lad 3/74 Elektra Y
CAS 1086 Sir John Betjeman Betjeman's Banana Blush 3/74 N/R Y
CAS 1087 Refugee Refugee 3/74 Charisma Y
CAS 1088 Bernard Haitink/Concertgebouw Orchestra Mahler - Original Soundtrack 4/74 N/R Y
CAS 1089 Peter Hammill In Camera 8/74 N/R Y
CAS 1090 Bert Jansch L.A. Turnaround 9/74 Kicking Mule Y
CAS 1091 Gary Shearston Dingo 9/74 Antilles Y
CAS 1092 Unicorn Blue Pine Trees 9/74 Capitol Y
CAS 1093 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1094 Jack the Lad The Old Straight Track 10/74 N/R Y
CAS 1095 G.T. Moore & the Reggae Guitars G.T. Moore & the Reggae Guitars 10/74 Mercury Y
CAS 1096 Sir John Betjeman Late Flowering Love 11/74 N/R Y
CAS 1097 String Driven Thing Please Mind Your Head 11/74 20th Century Y
CAS 1098 Clifford T. Ward Escalator 3/75 N/R Y
CAS 1099 Peter Hammill Nadir's Big Chance 2/75 N/R Y
CAS 1100 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1101 Various Artists Beyond An Empty Dream 4/75 N/R Y
CAS 1102 Doggerel Bank Mr Skillicorn Dances 4/75 N/R Y
CAS 1103 Monty Python The Album of the Soundtrack of the Trailer of the Film of Monty Python and the Holy Grail 8/75 Arista Y
CAS 1104 Howard Werth & The Moonbeams King Brilliant 9/75 Rocket Y
CAS 1105 G.T. Moore & the Reggae Guitars Reggae Blue 9/75 N/R Y
CAS 1106 Gary Shearston The Greatest Stone on Earth and other Two Bob Wonders 9/75 N/R Y
CAS 1107 Bert Jansch Santa Barbara Honeymoon 10/75 Kicking Mule Y
CAS 1108 Lindisfarne Finest Hour 10/75 N/R Y
CAS 1109 Van der Graaf Generator Godbluff 10/75 Mercury Y
CAS 1110 Jack the Lad Rough Diamond 10/75 N/R Y
CAS 1111 Steve Hackett Voyage of the Acolyte 11/75 Chrysalis Y
CAS 1112 String Driven Thing Keep Yer 'and On It 1/76 20th Century Y
CAS 1113 Bo Hansson Attic Thoughts 1/76 Sire Y
CAS 1114 Robert MacLeod Between the Poppy and the Snow 3/76 N/R Y
CAS 1115 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1116 Van der Graaf Generator Still Life 4/76 Mercury Y
CAS 1117 Brand X Unorthodox Behaviour 5/76 Passport Y
CAS 1118 Chris White Mouth Music 9/76 N/R Y
CAS 1119 R.D. Livingstone Home From Home 9/76 N/R Y
CAS 1120 Van der Graaf Generator World Record 10/76 Mercury Y
CAS 1121 Paul Ryan Scorpio Rising 10/76 N/R Y
CAS 1122 A.F.T. Automatic Fine Tuning 10/76 N/R Y
CAS 1123 Barry Humphries Housewife Superstar 10/76 N/R Y
CAS 1124 Adrian Wagner Instincts 3/77 N/R Y
CAS 1125 Peter Hammill Over 3/77 N/R Y
CAS 1126 Brand X Morroccan Roll 4/77 Passport Y
CAS 1127 Bert Jansch A Rare Conundrum 4/77 Kicking Mule Y
CAS 1128 Joseph Eger/London Philharmonic Orchestra 20th Century Classics: Shostakovich 7/77 N/R N
CAS 1129 Joseph Eger/London Philharmonic Orchestra 20th Century Classics: Stravinsky 7/77 N/R Y
CAS 1130 Sir John Betjeman Betjeman's Britain 5/77 N/R Y
CAS 1131 Van der Graaf The Quiet Zone/The Pleasure Dome 9/77 N/R Y
CAS 1132 Bo Hansson Music Inspired by Watership Down 9/77 Sire Y
CAS 1133 Pacific Eardrum Pacific Eardrum 10/77 N/R Y
CAS 1134 Monty Python The Monty Python Instant Record 11/77 Arista Y
CAS 1135 Adrian Wagner The Last Inca 4/78 N/R Y
CAS 1136 Pacific Eardrum Beyond Panic 8/78 N/R Y
CAS 1137 Peter Hammill The Future Now 9/78 Charisma Y
CAS 1138 Brand X Masques 9/78 Passport Y
CAS 1139 Vivian Stanshall Sir Henry at Rawlinson's End 10/78 N/R Y
CAS 1140 Barry Humphries The Sound of Edna 11/78 N/R Y
CAS 1141 R.D. Laing Life Before Death 11/78 N/R Y
CAS 1142 Blue Max Blue Max 11/78 N/R Y
CAS 1143 Link Wray Bullshot 1979 Visa Y
CAS 1144 Darling Put It Down to Experience 6/79 Charisma Y
CAS 1145 Dazzlers
(Not released with this number; issued instead as Charisma CLASS 7)
Feeling Free
(this information per the Charisma boxed set)
- - -
CAS 1146 Peter Hammill pH7 10/79 Charisma Y
CAS 1147 Brand X Product 10/79 Passport Y
CAS 1148 Tony Banks A Curious Feeling 10/79 Charisma Y
CAS 1149 Mike Rutherford Smallcreep's Day 2/80 Passport Y
CAS 1150 Phoenix In Full View 2/80 N/R Y
CAS 1151 Brand X Do They Hurt? 5/80 Passport Y
CAS 1152 Monty Python Monty Python's Contractual Obligation Album 10/80 Arista Y
CAS 1153 Vivian Stanshall Teddy Boys Don't Knit 6/81 N/R Y
CAS 1154 Sir John Betjeman Varsity Rag 9/81 N/R Y
CAS 1155 Afraid of Mice Afraid of Mice 12/81 N/R Y
CAS 1156 Unknown - - - N
CAS 1157 John Arlott John Arlott Talks Cricket 6/82 N/R Y
CAS 1158 Michael Nyman The Draughtman's Contract - Original Soundtrack 1/83 Varese Y
CAS 1159 Various Artists Songs for a Modern Church 4/83 N/R Y
CAS 1160 Peter O'Sullevan Peter O'Sullevan Talks Turf 5/83 N/R Y
CAS 1161 The Opposition Intimacy 6/83 N/R Y
CAS 1162 Rick Wakeman G'Ole! - Original Soundtrack 4/83 Varese Y
CAS 1163 Rick Wakeman Cost of Living 10/83 N/R Y
CAS 1164 Unity Heat Your Body Up 10/83 N/R Y
CAS 1165 Alexis Korner Juvenile Delinquent 5/84 N/R Y
CAS 1166 Peter Hammill The Love Songs 9/84 N/R Y
CAS 1167 Peter Gabriel Music from the Film Birdy 3/85 Geffen Y
CAS 1168 Mercy Ray Swoop, Swoop, Rock, Rock 4/85 N/R Y
CAS 1169 World's Famous Supreme Team Rappin' 1/86 Island Y
CAS 1170 Malcolm McLaren Swamp Thing 1/86 Island Y
CAS 1171 Julian Lennon The Secret Value of Daydreaming 2/86 Atlantic Y
CAS 1172 Keep It Dark First Down & Ten 2/86 Elektra Y
CAS 1173 Tony Banks Soundtracks 2/86 Atlantic Y
CASG 1174 Twelfth Night X 3/86 N/R Y


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 12:46

Uhmmm...what a lovely wantlist you provided, Dick Heath.

I remember all of those wonderful bands/solo artists

..oh..yes im that old (not really in my mind..though!)

There are some wonderful stuff in there...NOW..how do we the prog society get the owners of those long lost

groups/solo artists to acknowledge that we really NEED

to get these brilliant artists out on cd!!??

Maybe we should all chant (same day..same time):

" We need Charisma-artist´s NOW !!"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 20:00
Originally posted by Tonny Larz Tonny Larz wrote:

Uhmmm...what a lovely wantlist you provided, Dick Heath.

I remember all of those wonderful bands/solo artists

..oh..yes im that old (not really in my mind..though!)

There are some wonderful stuff in there...NOW..how do we the prog society get the owners of those long lost

groups/solo artists to acknowledge that we really NEED

to get these brilliant artists out on cd!!??

Maybe we should all chant (same day..same time):

" We need Charisma-artist´s NOW !!"

Tonny.

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John Arlott Talks Cricket (CAS 1157) looks essential to all Americans  - Dallas B where are you???
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2005 at 22:03
Hmm...

Had The Machine That Cried album years ago, hated it and quickly sold it. Sorry, I can't remember anything about it so I have no opinion as to whether or not it is prog. Oh no, it appears that I have nothing to add to this discussion....ABORT, ABORT!Confused


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2005 at 05:01

Dick,

quite a list you found there. No doubt,  now Charisma was a major prog label. I was a little surprised that Brand X got a UK release under Charisma. Nice to see the month of release also, an info all too rarely present on both vinyls and Cds.

 

Can you tell me anything about ATACAMA (two albums), for that is terribly intriguing. Are they British or Chileans ?

Atacama is a desert in northern Chile  some 80 km from the biggest source of water (Pacific Ocean), yet it has yet to rain there since the white man came in some almost 500 years ago! Reputed to be the driest place on Earth. Spent about a week in there after spending another week on the Altoplano (plateau at 4000 m above sea level) just looking at the black skies and stars in broad daylight. Awesome place.

 



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Back on SDT,

Wonderful band who made several excellent albums. Their use of violin plus male/female lead vocals gave them a pretty unique sound The first, self titled album made for a great opening statement, especially tracks like "Circus" "Easy to be free" and "The very last blue yodel".

"The machine that cried" was undoubtedly their best album, the opening track "Heartfeeder" being their absolute pinnacle.

"Keep you ‘and on it", with lead vocals by Kim Beacon who sang on Tony Bank’s solo album "A curious feeling" had some excellent tracks too, but I wasn’t impressed much with the more pop based "Please mind you head".

I saw them play live once when they supported Genesis on a Charisma tour around the time of "Foxtrot".

I suspect at the time they were considered to be "progressive", but with the rather narrower retrospective definition these days, no doubt some would argue against their credentials. Apart from occasional tracks such as "Heartfeeder", most of their songs had pretty basic structures, although they were developed well by the band.

By the way, their single "It’s a game" was rather embarrassingly covered by the bay City Rollers.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2005 at 03:18
They needn't bother to be embarassed. The Bay city Rollers covered tracks by other good groups. Presumably SDT are paid royalties.
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Since I'm into "String" (I jsut bumped an Incredible String Band thread), I thought I'd see if there are any more thoughts on this fine band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2006 at 14:12
I only have one album on vinyl, 'The Machine That Cried', but had another (think it was 'Please Mind Your Head' if that's the one with the guy holding the tennis racket??). They definitely belong here on the basis of that album alone imo, as they have the sound of Audience/Curved Air, even a lighter VDGG at times, but I'm not sure that they ever rose above second division status. However, the album certainly has excellent moments- 'Heartfeeder', 'Night Club' and 'Sold Down The River' are my favourites.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2006 at 14:30

lateralbums have a definite country rock feel

On the whole I 'd rather not see them included

let's just stay above the moral melee
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